the hog Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Surprised it was a cold bottom, would have thought 4♥-2 was a possibility also. The chances of partner having ♦AKQx are pretty small, a lot of the time he'll have 2-3 slower diamond tricks and more cards outside where 5♣ might not look so silly, but I wouldn't jump there just yet, I'd bid 3♥. This does not make sense if you are playing opposite a strong partner. The guy overcaqlled 1NT; he heard you bid 3C; he then doubled 3D. Do you seriously think he might have 2 or 3 slow D tricks? Ecen if he has KQJx, that might only be 2 tricks, and that is still 6 of his 15-17 HCP. Is it so surprising that his hearts are weak? The three H bidders painted their partner into a corner and forced him to bid 4H on any 4 card holding.The more I think about it, Rainer was totally correct with his immediate 3NT bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 OK, there we differ, I'd rather not have the auction come back to me somewhere awkward and feel obliged to act, I'd rather show my 15-17 and a diamond stop. And let them run 5 Cs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 And let them run 5 Cs? That hasn't beaten 1N yet, and if partner has a weak hand with 5M, we'll at least play in that suit. This does not make sense if you are playing opposite a strong partner. The guy overcaqlled 1NT; he heard you bid 3C; he then doubled 3D. Do you seriously think he might have 2 or 3 slow D tricks? Ecen if he has KQJx, that might only be 2 tricks, and that is still 6 of his 15-17 HCP. Is it so surprising that his hearts are weak? The three H bidders painted their partner into a corner and forced him to bid 4H on any 4 card holding.The more I think about it, Rainer was totally correct with his immediate 3NT bid. QJ109 is a much better hand for playing hearts and equally good double, it's also quite a likely type of holding as it actually gives opps some decent diamonds, and no partner is not forced to bid 4♥ with 4 bad hearts, you bid 3♣ then 3♥, you didn't start with 3♦, so your hearts may well not be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Needless to say I disagree totally. One hand proves nothing, of course, but why is it the wide boys all argue something and then when it proves to be wrong attempt to justify it?By the way, I was talking about thrunt not onet. Finally, "no partner is not forced to bid 4♥ with 4 bad hearts, you bid 3♣ then 3♥, you didn't start with 3♦, so your hearts may well not be great." This comment is blatantly resulting and you well know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Needless to say I disagree totally. One hand proves nothing, of course, but why is it the wide boys all argue something and then when it proves to be wrong attempt to justify it?By the way, I was talking about thrunt not onet. Finally, "no partner is not forced to bid 4♥ with 4 bad hearts, you bid 3♣ then 3♥, you didn't start with 3♦, so your hearts may well not be great." This comment is blatantly resulting and you well know it. If I had ♥AKxx and ♣Qxxxxxx I'd certainly bid 3♦ rather than starting with 3♣, that was the point I was making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 If I had ♥AKxx and ♣Qxxxxxx I'd certainly bid 3♦ rather than starting with 3♣, that was the point I was making. And if you had ♥ AKxx and ♣ AQxxxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 And if you had ♥ AKxx and ♣ AQxxxxxxI start with 3♦ then bid clubs until partner gets the message if he doesn't bid hearts probably going as far as 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I start with 3♦ then bid clubs until partner gets the message if he doesn't bid hearts probably going as far as 6. So AKxx AQxxxxx and AKxx Qxxxxxx are bid the same way for you? Ok...................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Perhaps we should attribute some blame to partner for his double of 3♦ after we bid 3♣ forcing to game. Did not this suggest that we might not do as well in game as defending 3♦, suggesting that partner lacks a high honor in ♣, so game is odds off with current hand, and worse than that if our club suit were only AQ sixth rather than seventh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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