Your turn to bid

[MrAce]

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2♣ was inverted 1 round forcing.

 

IMPS

 

Expert opponents.

[billw55]

Pass. I already stuck my neck out far enough with that crappy 2♠ bid, vulnerable, against two unlimited opponents. Partner is surely expecting better. For all I know we are already -500.

[neilkaz]

Pass. I already stuck my neck out far enough with that crappy 2♠ bid, vulnerable, against two unlimited opponents. Partner is surely expecting better. For all I know we are already -500.

Pass and WTP?

[mikeh]

This seems like such a clear pass that I am obviously missing something. Isn't partner supposed to compete to the 3 level with some KJxx xx Jxxxx xx sort of hand?

[gnasher]

I'd pass. Partner could have bid 3♦ or 3♥, both of which are fit bids inviting me to bid more than 3♠. Instead, he bid 3♠, not really inviting me to do anything.

[barmar]

I'm with all the passers. The opponents have the majority of the points, but they're apparently stopping in a part-score. Why stick your neck out?

[ggwhiz]

I guess I have to pass this since I would have passed 2♣

[barmar]

One person has voted for 4♠ so far. I'm not sure how confident they are, since they didn't post a justification.

[billw55]

oops, errant post

[the hog]

A totally obvious pass.

[aguahombre]

No objection to the 2S prebalance. Seemed automatic. Suspect Boze misclicked the 4S bid.

[whereagles]

hmm... actually, FTL lore says game might easily be on. Even with a 4333 across, the "SST" is -3, so you need 20 working points to scramble 10 tricks. We got 8 or 11 (depending on the diamond finesse) and auction hints at pard having no club wastage, so to find 8-9 WP across isn't that hard. (E.g. AJx Kxx xxxx xxx.)

 

Since it's vuln at imps, I think I would go for 4♠.

[gwnn]

We got 8 or 11 (depending on the diamond finesse) and auction hints at pard having no club wastage, so to find 8-9 WP across isn't that hard. (E.g. AJx Kxx xxxx xxx.)

We have 11 HCP, RHO promised 10+ and didn't compete over 3S, LHO opened (I know, he has a minimum, but still a minimum opening). Don't you think it is a bit hard to find partner with 8 well-placed HCP? You can use HCP, FTL, LTC, ODR, K&R, but partner will still almost always be broke.

[Trinidad]

Pass. Partner's 3♠ was not an invitation to bid 4. And even if it was, I wouldn't accept it.

 

Rik

[MrAce]

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This was the whole deal. I passed 3♠ and just made it when both spade and diamond finesses failed. I think we should be in game. Don't know how though, since i also believed i have a clear pass.

[helene_t]

All honours are working except for ♣JT and ♦T. Still, even if one finese works you can go down with spades 4-0 or a heart ruff. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[aguahombre]

They lied about inverted, or use 3-syllable words they don't understand.

[billw55]

OK, both hooks were wrong. On the other hand, east doesn't have his bid, and north is heavy for his. I still think pass is clear. If you want to reach game, IMO you need a different call for north's hand.

[mcphee]

We are vul and it's imps, 4S may well make and I do not wnt to miss it. Mark me up for 4S.

[barmar]

Looking at the NS hands together, game seems pretty good, needing one of two finesses. But North might bid the same way without the ♥ K or T. This is a pretty extreme hand -- West has a minimum for his opening, and East doesn't have his inverted raise. If the opponents really had full values for their bids, there's no way you can expect such a helpful dummy.

[akwoo]

If it made the overtrick, I'd be asking some questions with a view towards calling the director.

[mikeh]

If the opps are playing inverted, then partner can't have the hand he held unless one of the opps has deviated from their agreements, and it is folly to base bidding decisions on the assumption that they have. Therefore, when deciding whether to bid game or not, one should NOT assume that the opps have a combined 20 count.

 

When they do, chalk it up to the opps screwing around and be extremely careful of these guys in the future....to the point that I would ask them whether this was a systemically acceptable action and, if told that it was, I'd speak to the director to ensure that these bozos don't continue to lie to their opps in the future. If they say it wasn't, then I'm make a mental note and be on the lookout for such action in the future.

 

Meanwhile, back in the real world, bidding 4♠ has to be way against the odds. He has to be able to compete with few values, some shape, and Hxxx in spades, where the H is the A or K. Don't hang partner.

[aguahombre]

Their lack of honesty or their lack of knowledge about 2C, whichever it was this time, seems to have worked to our benefit. But, I would still pursue the avenues Mr. Hargreaves mentioned.

[MrAce]

Their lack of honesty or their lack of knowledge about 2C, whichever it was this time, seems to have worked to our benefit. But, I would still pursue the avenues Mr. Hargreaves mentioned.

 

Neither.

 

In fact they are known to be one of the most ethical pairs. About the knowledge...well...He is Richard Pavlicek...I am sure he knows or heard what an inverted minor is.

 

He represented some sort of invitation hand. I think it is way too harsh to make comments about their ethical behaviour in a negative way, don't you think ? His pd did not have a hand to accept his invitation. We all make bids that are skinny for our bid. For example the in other topic i posted, i doubled with only 9 hcp (the hand they preempted 4♥ making when we have 4♠ or 5♦ available) As long as his pd knows only what we know, and acts accordingly, we can not accuse 2♣ bidder for any ethical issues.

 

Having said that, do you guys think N hand worth an invite ? He seems to have valuable cards looking at his JTx ♣ and opponents opened this suit, raised and re raised it. He also looks at a very rich hand in spots. If so, how can we invite ? Do we use 3♦, coming from pass, showing ♠ fit or should it be natural promising nothing about spades ? How about DBL ? How about 3♥ ? Or should we just ignore the invitation hands when opponents started inverted minor ?

 

 

 

[Cyberyeti]

Their lack of honesty or their lack of knowledge about 2C, whichever it was this time, seems to have worked to our benefit. But, I would still pursue the avenues Mr. Hargreaves mentioned.

 

Just because your view of an inverted raise doesn't match theirs is not their problem, all inverted means is that 2♣>3♣. For us this is a point away from an inverted raise, and all they said was that it was F1 not FG so you shouldn't expect a huge amount more than this.