Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 An interesting hand appeared from a judgment point of view at the weekend, interested to see what people do. [hv=pc=n&s=s64hj532d76cqjt94&n=sahat764dakqj5cak]133|200[/hv] big hand deals, teams. I don't really mind whether we reach the slam or not, but several decisions. You kick off with 2♣, LHO bids 2♠ and partner passes showing a single negative type hand 4-7 ish. Now 3♦ or 3♥ ? I chose 3♥, LHO bid 3♠, partner bid 4♥, give up or have another go ? I opted to ask keycards, partner shows none, now give up or ask for the Q ? I asked for the Q, am I more likely to have 5 or 6 here, so is Jxxx enough to show the Q ? make my small diamond a small heart, I bid the same way and you probably want to show it. Partner entirely reasonably didn't show the Q, possibly coloured by the fact that he felt we were winning the match anyway and it wasn't going to be bid at the other table, 5♥+1 on a 2-2 break for a flat board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can I ask why not open 1♥? You can reasonably expect someone to hold spades so it won't go AP, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can I ask why not open 1♥? You can reasonably expect someone to hold spades so it won't go AP, no? It's a 25 count that makes game opposite any yarborough, now I know I open some strong 1 of a suits, but this one is too big even for me. If I open 1♥, partner will hold xxxx, K, 10xxxx, xxx and I'll play 1♥ with 7♦ on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can I ask why not open 1♥? You can reasonably expect someone to hold spades so it won't go AP, no?Can I ask why you think you need a 2♣ bid at all?Apparently the right requirements for your 2♣ bid will turn up about every second leap year.You are better off accepting a loss once every second leap year and use 2♣ for something which has a chance to come up every fortnight. Rainer Herrmann 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 An interesting hand appeared from a judgment point of view at the weekend, interested to see what people do. [hv=pc=n&s=s64hj532d76cqjt94&n=sahat764dakqj5cak]133|200[/hv] big hand deals, teams. Now 3♦ or 3♥ ?A bidding approach: If you resolve all those decisions, where you do not know whether to choose a major over a minor, in favor of the major you will not be right every time.However, there is a reason why some suits are called majors and some minors And last but not least it is usually more economical bidding a major first and then a minor than the other way round. Got it? Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can I ask why you think you need a 2♣ bid at all?Single-suited hands with lots of HCPs, balanced hands too strong for 2NT, many-suiters without short spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I basically would have copied Cyberyeti's approach, but I would not have asked for keycards. I would have bid 5♥ instead. South is really borderline whether he should accept, which is fitting since the slam is borderline to make. ;) Rik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 A bidding approach: If you resolve all those decisions, where you do not know whether to choose a major over a minor, in favor of the major you will not be right every time.However, there is a reason why some suits are called majors and some minors And last but not least it is usually more economical bidding a major first and then a minor than the other way round. Got it? Rainer Herrmann I understand all of this, there is also a principle of not bidding bad suits on good hands and they conflict, hence why I thought it was interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campboy Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 What would 2♣ (2♠) pass (pass) 3♠ show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 What would 2♣ (2♠) pass (pass) 3♠ show? Something massive, not clear what, prob bid 3N with a stop (maybe xx, AK, AKQJxx, AQx where 3N may be better than 5♦ opposite ♠QJx/♥Qxx and out or similar), not clear you're well placed after 2♣-(2♠)-P-P-3♠-P-4♣ which is what I suspect would happen, I don't think it's Michaelsish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 FWIW, I strongly dislike opening 2♣ with two suited hands, however, I consider this a pretty clear 2♣ opening. Your hand has improved enormously after the 3♠ rebid.You're sitting on a 25 count, partner has promised a heart fit and 4-7 HCP AND LHO looks to be holding the KQ of Spades which are useless for defense. Personally, I'd ask for Keycards. I would probably bid 6♥ if partner denied the King... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 FWIW, I strongly dislike opening 2♣ with two suited hands, however, I consider this a pretty clear 2♣ opening. Your hand has improved enormously after the 3♠ rebid.You're sitting on a 25 count, partner has promised a heart fit and 4-7 HCP AND LHO looks to be holding the KQ of Spades which are useless for defense. Personally, I'd ask for Keycards. I would probably bid 6♥ if partner denied the King... Do you really want to be in 6♥ opposite the same hand with a heart less and a diamond more ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 partner is 4-7 we either win 6♥ or 6♣, is there a way to ask him to introduce his clubs? maybe 5NT?. I think all you said in the OP is right, and partner should show ♥Q for sure with a 4th trump the way I play. I do not open 2 suiters with 2♣ normally, so 3♥ will be 6+ ♥ 85% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I do not open 2 suiters with 2♣ normally, so 3♥ will be 6+ ♥ 85% of the time. I agree with this, but oddly in the same event, I also picked up Qx, A, AKQxx, AKJxx which I felt I had to open 2♣ also (that hand has a play problem attached in N/B section). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think responder should bid 6♥ after the queen-ask on the basis that opener might have six or the actual holding, where slam is 65%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 You kick off with 2♣, LHO bids 2♠ and partner passes showing a single negative type hand 4-7 ish. What does partner do with 0-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 What does partner do with 0-3? Double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Esiste sull ' apertura di 2 fIori per mani di questo tipo la convenzione ideata da Terence Reese che porta il suo nome (Reese ) che serve ad indicare il possesso di un colore autonomo (qui Quadri) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Not that it makes reaching slam easier but I think you should downgrade this 4 count to 3 for the purposes of the initial response - QJ + J is often worse than a king here. After the initial pass it seems clear for Opener to carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Not that it makes reaching slam easier but I think you should downgrade this 4 count to 3 for the purposes of the initial response - QJ + J is often worse than a king here. After the initial pass it seems clear for Opener to carry on. A suit that can play a slam opposite Kx while adding 3.5 tricks to what partner thought he had is a big asset opposite a 2♣ opener. I would agree with downgrading QJ/J normally, but this hand is too good IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 P should just show the queen imo, otherwise fine. What is your 8+ positive? 2NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 P should just show the queen imo, otherwise fine. What is your 8+ positive? 2NT? Or a suit, we do occasionally downgrade and bid the negative with a marginal balanced positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Vi sono 12 prese giocando a quadri o fiori mentre a cuori si può' trovare il marriage alto con il 9 in difesa ( 3 - 1 ). Applicando la Reese dopo 2f- 2 p - p -p 3 picche= 0 o 1 perdente max non dice molto sui restanti colori mentre 4 quadri (Reese ) = colore autonomo compatto o semicompatto può permette di giocare 6 quadri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 An interesting hand appeared from a judgment point of view at the weekend, interested to see what people do. [hv=pc=n&s=s64hj532d76cqjt94&n=sahat764dakqj5cak]133|200[/hv] big hand deals, teams. I don't really mind whether we reach the slam or not, but several decisions. You kick off with 2♣, LHO bids 2♠ and partner passes showing a single negative type hand 4-7 ish. Now 3♦ or 3♥ ? I chose 3♥, LHO bid 3♠, partner bid 4♥, give up or have another go ? I opted to ask keycards, partner shows none, now give up or ask for the Q ? I asked for the Q, am I more likely to have 5 or 6 here, so is Jxxx enough to show the Q ? make my small diamond a small heart, I bid the same way and you probably want to show it. Partner entirely reasonably didn't show the Q, possibly coloured by the fact that he felt we were winning the match anyway and it wasn't going to be bid at the other table, 5♥+1 on a 2-2 break for a flat board. Many play pass promises at least a random A or K and gf...so this hand could double to deny. At this point if you prefer to be in slam whenever south has the QH I guess you could KC. No I would not show the Q or extra length in this example hand. I would not play pard for some 2 loser hand at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 La convenzione Reese peraltro dopo l'indicazione del colore a salto che ( di solito) stabilisce il colore di atout interroga contemporaneamente sul numero degli assi con risposte a gradino (primo gr. 0 assi, secondo gr. 1 asso etc .) per cui qui 4 quadri ? passo 4 picche (1 asso). Se Nord nomina altro colore interroga per i re ma il rispondente deve avere nel colore di atout anche 3 carte di appoggio qui 5 cuori ? passo 6 quadri (due carte o nessun re) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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