nickf Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sat3hkj4d65cak842]133|100|Scoring: Butler IMPs (vs median)[/hv] So you deal and open this a 15-17 1NT. Pass, Pass, 2S from RHO. The opponents play Landy so 2S only promises a spade suit. Are you a bidder or a passer? nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I have basically what I said I had when I bid 1NT. My partner is still sitting across the table from me.......at least he hasn't thrown down his convention card and left the building.........yet. Partner knows more about my hand than I know about his, and is in a better position to make a decision for the partnership. In other words: Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 i think i have to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Pass. I would double on a xx ??? shape, but not with 3S and only 3H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 3C for me. I'm not selling out.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I think ATx in spades is a little too good to bid 3♣. You may well have two defensive trump trcks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Pass, I don't see any other reasonable bid with this hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I would pass. If I could bid my suit at the 2-level, I would think about doing so, but I would never bid at the 3-level unless I had a 6-card suit (and even then there are good reasons to consider not bidding). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 As Fred states there are times when you might want to bid your 5 card suit if you could get it in at the 2 level. As for anyone who would consider bidding 3C. When you elected to open 1NT showing the hand that you have, you made a LIMIT bid. Bidding in front of partneres in these postions is a good way to lose respect as a partner, after all, you clearly are not showing partner any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I think if you bid 3♣, you need a 6 card (so you lied a bit by opening 1NT :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 As for anyone who would consider bidding 3C. When you elected to open 1NT showing the hand that you have, you made a LIMIT bid. Bidding in front of partneres in these postions is a good way to lose respect as a partner, after all, you clearly are not showing partner any. I don't agree with this point of view. Bridge is not like being in the army. In bridge, judgement takes precedence over discipline. And my judgement is to bid 3C here. Yes it is risky, but I am an attacking player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I gave my pointrange and a good idea about my distribution.Nothing more to say. A clear pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 As for anyone who would consider bidding 3C. When you elected to open 1NT showing the hand that you have, you made a LIMIT bid. Bidding in front of partneres in these postions is a good way to lose respect as a partner, after all, you clearly are not showing partner any. I don't agree with this point of view. Bridge is not like being in the army. In bridge, judgement takes precedence over discipline. And my judgement is to bid 3C here. Yes it is risky, but I am an attacking player. that may be so, but your 1nt (if a true bid) told your whole story... you have a balanced hand within a certain range... partner knows this, the opps know it, everybody knows it... i was taught that further bids must not say the same thing the first bid said... 3c (imo) does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I can imagine bidding again over 1NT-2S-pass-pass (but I wouldn't), but there is no hand with which I would ever bid over this auction. I might double though, with xx in spades and a suitable hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 One should be wary of ready made rules to anything. The one and only rule to be sucessful at this game is to THINK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickf Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 I was the 2S bidder on this hand and one of our leading players on my left (the 1NT opener) bid 3C. He surmised that he had some safetey bidding 3C as his partner (who passed his 1NT opening) was marked with club length. His rationale? If his partner had a really bad hand with short clubs, he'd have bid 2C Stayman and passed his partner's response - even with a 4441 orvarious (34)51 hands. nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Well a problem with the alert procedure is, that you don't get it if the unusual bid is not made. Reading your conclusion it seems that your opps play a weak stayman, where xxxx xxxx xxx xx would be good enough. This treatment has advantages (disavantages too, as always). Knowing his Partner is weak and without a 4 card major, is an extra info you did not have. I don't know about the alert rules at your club, here even conventional "pass" bids are not to be alerted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcin91 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hi all:It seems obvious to me to pass. If partner has only 2 spades, he will make an effort to compete. W is in a very good position to double 3C if it turns out to be the wrong choice. I ran it through dealmaster and simulated 100 possible hands and found that, whenever 3C was right, we would get there anyways if we passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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