cherdano Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 http://tinyurl.com/lp53mtj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I suppose there may be something not disclosed, but otherwise the pass of 2♣ is flat out silly. Assuming that N could have a hand just short of a jumpshift, passing is ridiculous...just how bad can 3♣ be? AKxxx x Qx Kxxxx and he is supposed to do what over 1N? Or, for that matter, over 3♦ Yes, it is a nice 12 count. AKQxx x Axx Kxxx.....yes this is a nice 16 count Now, everybody is allowed to make a mistake, no matter how good one is, and jec sure plays a lot of hands, so it makes sense that once in a while a cow flies past the moon, as happened here. I sure wouldn't want to be judged by the worst bids I've made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 As a nonexpert I would say 3c by north was very well judged. I assume that is the Q? This sort of feels like an Al roth deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I find the pass of 2Cto be unbelievable. 3C is a weird bid as is the pass over 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 seems pretty standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 seems pretty standard A failure to raise to 3C is "standard"? You are kidding me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Seems pretty weird to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I suppose there may be something not disclosed, but otherwise the pass of 2♣ is flat out silly. Assuming that N could have a hand just short of a jumpshift, passing is ridiculous...just how bad can 3♣ be? AKxxx x Qx Kxxxx and he is supposed to do what over 1N? Or, for that matter, over 3♦ Yes, it is a nice 12 count. AKQxx x Axx Kxxx.....yes this is a nice 16 count Now, everybody is allowed to make a mistake, no matter how good one is, and jec sure plays a lot of hands, so it makes sense that once in a while a cow flies past the moon, as happened here. I sure wouldn't want to be judged by the worst bids I've made I am more interested in North's action. I should probably add that North has a great track record of success in JEC matches, so in no way do I want to ridicule his decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I am more interested in North's action. I should probably add that North has a great track record of success in JEC matches, so in no way do I want to ridicule his decisions. North's action is normal imo. His pd passed 2♣ vs a possible 2 card club ( 2♣ is alerted 2+) so he is expecting JEC to hold at least 4 card clubs if not 5 or 6. Only thing weird to me is the pass of 2♣ by south, unless 2♣ range showed less than what a standard non reverse suit shift shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I voted for well judged and I hope I was voting for the 3c bid. Thereis every reason to suspect you will have decent play in 3c opposite aslittle as Axxxx clubs in partners hand. I would consider the 3c bid to be automatic. If we are talking about the entire auction I was not happy with the original pass after 2c (I would bid 3c) but I think the pass over 3c was well reasoned because I would have a strong tendency to completely down grade my dia K given the bidding. (switch my dia K to the heart K andI would probably pipe in with 3h over the 3c bid which would be an unmistakeable move toward 3n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Only DK offside sets 4H (of course with H:QJ) so their game is quite near.Well judged. How close are others to a bid after 2D? I'd even try 3H over 3C - just to cater for this case: they're jamming us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I voted for well judged and I hope I was voting for the 3c bid. Thereis every reason to suspect you will have decent play in 3c opposite aslittle as Axxxx clubs in partners hand. I would consider the 3c bid to be automatic. How can 3♣ be "well judged" and "automatic" at the same time escapes me. When i looked at the auction, i thought 3♣ bid was as normal as it can be. But when i read that it is called "weird" and questioned even by a very good player like Arend (Cherdano), now i am more leaning towards calling it "well judged" Perhaps this is why MikeH missed the aimed person, just like me, whose bid was in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 3C is automatic imo. People who don't bid that probably have little experience with artificial 2C here. Pass is almost always 6cards, 5 only with 0-1 spades or very strong suit and weak hand. In any case it's clear 3C.As to pass after 2C a lot depends on system played. If they open 1N with 15-17 5M332 so 2C is either 12-14 5(332) or natural then pass is a bit of a gamble (partner might have 5-5 or something) but usually he is balanced as opponents aren't going wild.I probably wouldn't pass but I don't think it's ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 i voted for other - i didn't hear of anyone, jec excepted, who thinks north can play the game well single-dummy. bbo vugraph commentator syndrome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Only mildly familiar with Gazzilla I think 2♣ is forcing there. What system is this? passing 2♣ seems odd with a good hand game has to be close. not knowing what system their using but would think 3♣ or an inquiry (2♦?) are in order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Only mildly familiar with Gazzilla I think 2♣ is forcing there. playing gazilli 2♣ is forcing. not playing gazilli it's not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 While it would not be my choice to pass 2C I think bidding 3C is sensible, not auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 While it would not be my choice to pass 2C I think bidding 3C is sensible, not auto.This. South's pass of 2♣ puzzles me also. Did he think ops would let him play there? Or is he walking the dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yes, it is also the pass to 2♣ I don't understand. What more does S need for 3♣? A guarantee that pass would miss a game? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 How can 3♣ be "well judged" and "automatic" at the same time escapes me. When i looked at the auction, i thought 3♣ bid was as normal as it can be. But when i read that it is called "weird" and questioned even by a very good player like Arend (Cherdano), now i am more leaning towards calling it "well judged" Perhaps this is why MikeH missed the aimed person, just like me, whose bid was in question.Never the politician, I voted for well judged because that was one of the voting options whileautomatic was not (political choice?). Automatic means that in this situation to not bid 3cwould make no sense to me at all (ie rating somewhere around a 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 there are worse things than pass). I always try to supply the reasoning behind my decisions andleave it to others to judge those reasons valid or not. It is quite possible that the concept of normal as it can be and automatic, which I think mean the same thing, might have a different take to you and that is why you question my concept of automatic. The automatic part is that I would consider a 3c bid there to be normal every day have to do it not dependent on feelings, day of the week or feeling hungry or sated. Automatic essentially means the ONLY reason to not make the automatic bid is STATE OF THE MATCH where you feel you have no hope of winning by making the totally normal (ie opposite of weird) bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 seems pretty standard A failure to raise to 3C is "standard"? You are kidding me! JLOGIC didn't say that this auction was standard for players in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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