(3D)-(5D), and I have game in hand

[chasetb]

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[mikeh]

5♠

 

Really, what else is there?

 

Double then 5♠ is better in theory, but only if partner were to bid 5♥, which is improbable. In real life, he will pass far more often than he will bid. Slam is just way too optimistic.

[the hog]

5S. Maybe partner can raise, though I doubt it.

[Fluffy]

I like my chances on 6♠, partner is a favourite to hold 3 card support providing entries or a 5 card suit that could be clubs, while LHO is the least likely player to hold ♥A or ♣K. It could also be that 5♠+1 is better than bidding 6♠ though.

[gnasher]

6♠. ♣K opposite will probably be enough.

 

Also, when we are going down because of a club loser, RHO won't know that, so he may save anyway. That won't happen that often, but if he has a source of tricks in hearts 7♣ may look cheap.

[Trinidad]

I am voting for 6♠ too.

 

Rik

[ahydra]

This depends a lot on what's going on. MPs I'll try 6S.

 

IMPs it depends on whether the other table are likely to replicate the 3D-5D. For example I know one of my usual team-mates is a wimp and might not, thus allowing opps to exchange info and land in the right place (game or slam). Hence I think I have to try 6S just in case it's there (unless I was ahead in the match). But if team-mates will bid 3D-5D, it sounds right to take the 90+% plus in 5S.

 

ahydra

[ggwhiz]

6♠ here and no I don't make them all.

 

Surely rho didn't bid 5♦ to make. I guess it's possible but a longshot and if it's on big red suits I can make slam anyway.

 

The slam will fetch opposite a (magic) few spades and the ♣T and partner is marked for more than that or rho would have passed 3♦. We may well be on for the unbiddable grand. In my younger days I would try 6♦ expecting a 6♥ response and then bid 6♠ trolling for a raise but I only torture partners in midnights now.

 

I was taught that if you can construct a suitable sub minimum for partner in under 10 seconds, bid it.

[the hog]

6♠ here and no I don't make them all.

 

Surely rho didn't bid 5♦ to make. I guess it's possible but a longshot and if it's on big red suits I can make slam anyway.

 

The slam will fetch opposite a (magic) few spades and the ♣T and partner is marked for more than that or rho would have passed 3♦. We may well be on for the unbiddable grand. In my younger days I would try 6♦ expecting a 6♥ response and then bid 6♠ trolling for a raise but I only torture partners in midnights now.

 

I was taught that if you can construct a suitable sub minimum for partner in under 10 seconds, bid it.

 

Why do you assume rho did not bid 5Dto make. Give her a S void and there are many hands on which a 5D bid is bid to make.

[Cascade]

6♠ seems middle of the road to me.

 

If rho bid 5♦ to make with a spade void I fancy my chances even more - the heart ace and club King rate to be onside and partner rates to have spade length which I can use as entries.

 

I have a two loser hand, one opponent has shown weakness, both opponents have bid my void suit, one lost can be covered by an ordinary finesse through the likely stronger of the opponents hands.

 

To those who count the fourth club as a loser there are so many ways to cover that I am not worrying about it in the bidding: club King, club length, club shortage, 3-3 break, ditch on possible long hearts in dummy, diamond ace

[gszes]

preempts work keep using them---a 5s bid has 1 advantage that 6s

does not and that is if I want to take a penalty x there is a great

chance I might get to x 6c and it is far less likely I will get to

x 7c. This tactical advantage appears to be insufficient however. If

for some reason rho bid 5d to make us going down 2 in 6s is not that

big of a deal compared with going down 1 in 5s especially if rho has

a spade void and lots of hearts. The funny thing about 6s is the very

conditions that allow 5d to make might be all we need to make 6s.

 

xxxxx xx xx Txx is really all I need to make 6s a pretty darn good shot.

The hog points out that it is unlikely p will ever raise 5s and I agree

with him but asking for xxxx(x) and the club T just does not seem like

too much to ask from partner given the probable huge fit the opps have

in diamonds.

 

6S for me.

[AnnC8]

Is this one of my goulash hands? lol...always scares me when it looks too good,,,hard not to bid 5!S

[Trump Echo]

If the opening was 1 ♦ followed by 5 ♦, I'd be inclined to bid 5 ♠. But you have to fight preempts with aggression.

 

I'd go 6♠

[HighLow21]

5♠

 

Really, what else is there?

There is 6♠. That's my bid. Partner rates to have A♥ or K♣ about 56% of the time with no other information, and on the auction, I rate it closer to 2/3 of the time. And even if he has neither, he might be able to save us with long hearts QJ and a late spade entry, or a club ruffing value.

[ggwhiz]

Give her a S void and there are many hands on which a 5D bid is bid to make.

 

And that gives partner 4+ spades making 6♠ a heavy favorite.

[lariyol]

The right Bid is 5♠ . Because you have a partner. On your 5♠ bid, everytime he will have the A♥ he will raise to 6. With the K♣ and xxxx♠ he will surely raise. With Jxx ♠ he will probably raise. And with a big hand like Jxx♠ AQ♥ he will call 7♠. So just bid your hand, and trust him.

[johnu]

The right Bid is 5♠ . Because you have a partner. On your 5♠ bid, everytime he will have the A♥ he will raise to 6. With the K♣ and xxxx♠ he will surely raise. With Jxx ♠ he will probably raise. And with a big hand like Jxx♠ AQ♥ he will call 7♠. So just bid your hand, and trust him.

 

You must be a world class card holder. With the first three hands, my partner would pull out the 4♠ bidding card :P and cross their fingers with the 4th hand :D .

[chasetb]

This hand was played against Wbridge5 (no internet access at the time). I figured there would be a split between 5 and 6 on the forums. I went back and forth; I was worried about entries to the North hand, but I felt there were too many hands where we make 6 because all the cards rated correct. As you can see, it wasn't a success...

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What junk!

[MrAce]

MikeH chunks another 13 impshttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[the hog]

This hand was played against Wbridge5 (no internet access at the time). I figured there would be a split between 5 and 6 on the forums. I went back and forth; I was worried about entries to the North hand, but I felt there were too many hands where we make 6 because all the cards rated correct. As you can see, it wasn't a success...

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What junk!

 

No real surpise that it cannot make.

 

MrAce, why does MikeH chuck 13 imps? I assume that was sarcasm?

[gnasher]

Maybe West will lead his singleton, so that we can demonstrate our card-reading skills? Club to the nine and jack, draw trumps, ♥K ducked, trump to dummy, club to the 8, run trumps.

[mfa1010]

6♠. At least partner will not hang me next time I bid 5♠ with normal values.

[MrAce]

No real surpise that it cannot make.

 

MrAce, why does MikeH chuck 13 imps? I assume that was sarcasm?

 

No, i used bad sentence.

 

I meant he took chunk of imps from 6 bidders.

 

I admit i would probably bid 6 myself and go down with that piece of gem in dummy.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Could be worse if W decided to lead his stiff, which could let me show my lack of card play/reading skills and go down just to double my pain ....or who knows maybe after seeing everyone followed the first ♠ i would start writing 1430 on my score sheet http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif