manudude03 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=s7hkq84dakq863c96&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1sd2cd(%21d+%21h)3sp4s]133|200[/hv] 2C promises a full-value Acol-style 2/1 (ie can be lighter than normal unopposed, but still stronger than most would expect). Your first double showed both red suits. What do you do here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion77 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Someone's fooling around, probably East. I wish I could ask for keycards but 4NT would be a takeout with longer diamonds. This is really a question of how much you trust your partner's 2nd seat vulnerable takeout doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 If you cannot make 6d it is almost assuredlybecause p made a crummy TOX. We do not have thespace to hunt around for 7 and since we havealready shown the red suits p can convert our6d to 6h. On rare occasion 6d will have no playbut it is a reasonable gamble given the (highlyweird) bidding). There is also a very good chancethe opps will bid 6s (as a sac) so at least wewill get a decent sized penalty. If I was 100% certain my p would take a 4nbid as regular blackwood I would use it ratherthan guessing 6d. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 If you cannot make 6d it is almost assuredlybecause p made a crummy TOX. Isn't it obvious that pd made a crummy TOX ? Lets assume for the sake of argument that both EW are fooling. 1 of them opened with 9 count and other one responded with 7 count =16 + we hold 14 =30 We are looking at MOST 10 hcp held by pd. Probably less than that, unless E or W is fooling much more than we predict. OTOH, a lot of things do not add up here. If pd has such a weak hand, he should be at least have perfect or close to perfect TOX shape, hence short spades. Even opener has 8 spades, which i doubt for his bidding, and responder has 2 of them and i hold 1, that leaves pd with at least 2 spades. I think E is fooling around not only with the hcps but also the club suit. 4 NT is longer diamonds in my world, it may even help pd to be the declarer which is good for us due to ♣ holding.. That is what i would bid. and i have no idea what to bid over 5♦/♥. Pd may have something like Qx Axxx Jxx KQxx and we have no slam and we can perhaps make 5 if ♥ splits friendly. I admit that jumping to slam may end up defending 6♠ doubled, because i believe they have too many spades, in order to justify the TOX of 1♠ with minimal values by pd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 don't see how pard can have less than: xx...AJxx...xxx...Axxx might have: xx..AJxx..xxx....KQxx but that is not even a light opening bid and we are vul and pard forces us to the two level. If 4nt shows longer d I will try that for starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Assuming that I've already shown 4 hearts with my double I'm bidding 5♦ as I have 6 and a quality suit, whereas I play 4nt as still competing but doubt as to which suit so maybe 44 (though why I'd want to go on I don't know?) but most likely 4♥ & 5♦. I suspect that east has a 4♠ pre-empt and was just muddying the waters hoping to by it with 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'm bidding 5 ♦. 6 ♦ might be there, but there's no way to know if partner has exactly the right cards. I agree with all that think East is operating. West's 3 ♠ bid might be based more on playing tricks than HCP, maybe something like ♠ AKJ109xx ♥ xxx ♦ - ♣ Kxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I (or my partner) could hold ♠x ♥Axxx ♦xxxx ♣KQJx for the initial double. But that doesn't stop me from bidding 6♦. Edit: The fact that 2♣ was forcing makes it even more likely that RHO is messing around with lots of spades and nothing else. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 don't see how pard can have less than: xx...AJxx...xxx...AxxxYou would not double with ♠x ♥AJxx ♦Jxxx ♣KQJx? 4NT seems like a good start. Most likely we will not be able to bid this scientifically but there is little harm in at least trying. As an aside, what would an initial 2♠ advance have shown? Perhaps showing a strong hand the first time and then hearts with longer diamonds the second would help involve partner in the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 5D (risk of two missing aces is too high - let alone some ruff somewhere since East sounds like he has a shapely hand). ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iviehoff Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 As well as operations, mispull that someone was not in time to change is a possibility. Most likely mispull is partner's double thinking he was passing. But partner can take responsibility for that if it turns out to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_prah Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Form of scoring matters. At IMPs I would bid 5♦ and at matchpoints I would bid 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Full hand:[hv=pc=n&s=s7hkq84dakq863c96&w=saqj96542hj73dc84&n=s8hat95dj9542caj7&e=skt3h62dt7ckqt532&d=w&v=b&b=13&a=1sd2cd3sp4s5d5s6dpp6sdppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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