The nightmare gets worse!

[rhm]

Depends what was led.

 

If high heart, absolutely you should make it by playing the leader for the other one.

 

If 7♥ you have a tough decision at trick 1, if you get it wrong, you probably take the club finesse and go down, but Q♥ at trick 1 isn't the worst gamble in the world.

 

If a spade you probably take the club finesse and go down.

As usual the lead has an impact.

But in all cases it costs nothing to cash your diamond first and see two discards from East, which are not easy single dummy.

If he squirms an endplay looms

 

Rainer Herrmann

[claveat]

This hand is the perfect reason while many play (or should play) that 2/1 is not in effect when the auction starts 1D P 2C. An old fashioned 2C response works just fine. 2/1 is basically a crutch for bidders with no sense of judgment or hand evaluation.

 

Claveat Onk

[steve2005]

anyone for an inverted minor raise 2♦? doing on 4 is ok. Maybe you will arrange to play from the side with the stopper not that it really matters in this case think im taking ♣ hook.

 

you also didn't define 3♣ - INV 6 ♣

 

if your gonna play 2/1 might as well go whole hog

 

3N isn't that horrible (at worst 50%). you gonna stop bidding 27 pt games that have good suits?

[Trump Echo]

I would respond 2 Clubs.

[rhm]

This hand is the perfect reason while many play (or should play) that 2/1 is not in effect when the auction starts 1D P 2C. An old fashioned 2C response works just fine. 2/1 is basically a crutch for bidders with no sense of judgment or hand evaluation.

 

Claveat Onk

You may believe that your methods are best. That is what most Bridge players believe.

This is no good reason to degrade people, who have different views. By the way some of them are world class.

A hand can illustrate a point, but playing a bid as game forcing or not has almost always advantages and disadvantages. It is a trade-off.

Most people raise diamonds with four.

An inverted raise (what also many people play) followed by 3♣ describes this hand quite well, whether you play a 2♣ response as game forcing or not.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Zelandakh]

An old fashioned 2C response works just fine. 2/1 is basically a crutch for bidders with no sense of judgment or hand evaluation.

You are absolutely right. Players like Zia Mahmood and Chip Martel are complete duffers with no judgement or evaluation skills whatsoever. You should write to them some time and teach them how to play the game - I am sure they will be eternally grateful. Perhaps they could even reach a decent level under your expert guidance.

[MrAce]

This hand is the perfect reason while many play (or should play) that 2/1 is not in effect when the auction starts 1D P 2C. An old fashioned 2C response works just fine. 2/1 is basically a crutch for bidders with no sense of judgment or hand evaluation.

 

Claveat Onk

 

Welcome to forums but i disagree with most of what you said.

[mycroft]

I would agree that, well, with almost everyone at world championship level moving to either a 2/1 structure or something equivalent (usually making 1♣ and/or 1♦ the crutch), that if it's a crutch, it's a really really good one.

 

Having said that, the argument in favour of 1♦-2♣ being almost but not completely GF is strong.

 

Having said that, it doesn't matter what your agreement is about this auction, without other crutches, it sucks massively. Anytime there are full-out conventions to handle one starting sequence, it's clearly a problem. I don't play any of those things ATM, because there are bigger holes in our system; but I know that when it comes up, we're in guess-and-hope time.