InTime Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 [hv=pc=n&e=s82hqjt965dak98c3]133|100[/hv]Dealer: EastVul: EWEvent: TeamsAssume System 2/1Looking at your hand you decide the hand is too strong for a 2♥ opening and opens 1♥.Partner responds 1♠. The question is what is your rebid with this weak hand 2♥ or 2♦?I will appreciate some rationale why the one or the other.Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menggq Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I prefer 2H if possible then bid 3D.high high low suit shows low hcps;high low high shows high hcps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I prefer 2H if possible then bid 3D.high high low suit shows low hcps;high low high shows high hcps.My 2/1 book says bid 6-4-6 but I like that treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Under normal circumstances, I rebid the 4 card suit with 6-4, but here there's a strong possibility that this will play better in hearts opposite 1 heart and 4 diamonds (if they can force your hand playing in diamonds, your heart suit will be useless), so I rebid 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I have a chace to show a minimum rather than making a less definitive bid, and this is a true minimum. So I bid 2♥. There are times that I would bid 2♦ with this shape, but not here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 My 2/1 book says bid 6-4-6 but I like that treatment.Which book is that ?This has been covered before for an opening 6/4 hand .Bidding 6-6-4 is weaker than bidding 6-4-6 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1cha Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I don't think the hand is as weak as it looks on the first glance. You've got the HCPs in your long suits. You've got 6 loosers only. You've got some support in your partner's suit and a singleton outside. You will most likely make 4♥, with a possible overtrick, opposite an 11-HCP hand such as ♠ Axxxx♥ Ax♦ QJx♣ xxx Your opponents did not bid, they are probably below 10 HCP, so chances are good that your partner is strong, and even 3NT can be an option. I suggest you bid 2♦ with this hand, upon a reply of 2♥ or 2♠ relax and pass. If your partner has 6 ♠s, fine with you. Over 2NT or 3♣ (4th suit forcing) show your 6-card ♥s by bidding 3♥, and your partner will know what to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluff Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 the guide should this : with 6-4 Major-minor, rebid the M with minimum hand with a king more than minimum (so 15+ pts), rebid minor and, over 2nd bid by partner, rebid the M partner will know then you have 6-4 with a good hand bernard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 1h 2d followed by hearts again-----this is not a minimumopening bid by any stretch of the imagination. I admitI can see only 10 HCP but I also note the solid hearts 2 quick tricks and all of my hcp located in my 2 long suits. Game is highly probable opposite as little as Axx Kxxx xx xxxx. It is mainly the max 2 loser heart suit opposite a voidthat makes this hand much stronger than minimum. Being ableto show your 2 suits will make game determination much easier partner as the bidding progresses and they appreciate heart anddiamond cards and downgrade most of the others. Most other 10 hcp 1h openers I would prefer to rebid 2h but not here too much potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I'd rebid 2♥ as Gonzalo and others say.If partner rebids: - 2♠ I pass- 2N or 3♣ I rebid 3♦- 3♦ gets raised to 4♦- 3♠ I'll raise to 4♠- 3N will play. - 4♣ or 4♦ I rebid 4♥- 4♥ plays- 4♠ I'll bid 5♦(control, accepting ♠) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granguru Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 The rationale in this very common case is:normally bid the 4 card suit as you will show 9 cards to your partner who will better decide as per 1♠/♥ 2♠/♥, where you have shown 6 cards only. If you keep in mind that bridge is mainly a game of fits and not a game of points it might make you understand that trying to find a fit with partner is the most relevant thing during bidding. Later we will have to check for controls. Points are at the bottom part of the list, specially in unbalanced hands. Players who tend to make unilateral decisions like to bid the 6 card suit. Players who like to have partnership deliberations would tend to bid the 4 card suit whenever possible. The exception is when the hand is very weak. The reason is that you will need to ruff many times and also need to pull out trumps, and a 4-4 fit will not be sufficient in many of those hands to arrive at the port. In those cases a long trump suit is preferable. This hand has only 6 losers, a pretty semisolid ♥ suit so there is no reason to deny the 4 cards side suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gml2 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I think 2H is clear. The suit has excellent spots, and can play even opposite a void. If partner has enough to make a game, it will almost certainly be in hearts and with three cover cards will bid again. If partner is 1-3 in the reds, not an unlikely hand, he will pass 2ds and you'll likely fail since you cant bring home the hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I don't think the hand is as weak as it looks on the first glance. You've got the HCPs in your long suits. You've got 6 loosers only. Hands with 10 cards in 2 suits tend not to have to many losers :P A non minimum hand will probably have ~5 losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 2♦ and you can deal with just about any reply by partner.- Over 2NT you can bid 3♥.- Over 2♥ you can pass.- Over 2♠ you can pass.- Over 3♦ you can pass. (Too many likely side suit losers to invite game.)- Over 3♠ you can pass or bid game. (It's close, but you do have a ruffing value and a side suit.)- Over 3NT you can either grin and ride it or take out to 4♥. Your choice. I'd expect 3NT to make on that auction more often than not. If partner has the right 12/13 count it makes easily.- Over 4♦ you can accept the game invitation here. This hand is a lot stronger than the HCP suggest and you have about an 85% chance of a fit in one of the 3 suits besides clubs. Even without a fit you may survive. By the way -- good choice to open 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbl118 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 2h seems clear to me. If partner is strong, then he won't be letting you stop short of game anyway, so it probably doesn't matter since you'll get to show your diamonds later. However in the event that partner only has 10hcp or so, it makes me wonder why the opponents aren't bidding. I suspect it's because one opponent has a spade stack, and the other may have 4 hearts. 2h might be the last making contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strings11 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Someone wrote somewhere... Partner needs to know far more urgently that you have a sixth Heart, than that you have 4 Diamonds. Indeed what flavor contract are you willing to play in? If you don't play Hearts, your hand's value is quite limited. In addition, rebidding the Hearts suggests weakness - which you clearly have - if you are of the 'counting HCPs' persuasion. You have a six loser (read: better than average opening) hand. It was good enough to open so don't leave partner dangling, by getting embarrassed now! If partner has a King (and maybe only a Queen) more than his initial response promised, game should be making. If partner drives to slam, you can find a way to value your Diamonds, but until that happy event... get yourself to the proper level in Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 This is another regional thing. As a European I tend to prefer to show 4 cards with my rebid than 1. Americans have other ideas on the matter. That said, that heart suit looks a lot like trumps even if we do have a diamond fit so this is definitely a candidate for an exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 If we rebid 2♦ we will have to chose what to do if partner rebids 2NT - 3♥ would be forcing but passing 2NT doesn't seem attractive. If we are ok with one of those choices then 2♦ is fine. But I don't think this hand is that likely to belong in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 it is true that if we assume hearts will be trump and do a losing trick count this hand has some assets. But let's count winners, assuming that hearts are trump. This hand produces six winners, exactly and almost certainly. I will take four heart tricks and I will take two diamond tricks. I can ruff a club. I can maybe ruff two clubs. I still have six tricks. If I am to make four hearts I have to find four tricks in partner's hand. If he has the king of hearts I am up to seven tricks. If he also has the ace of spades I am up to eight. I need two more. The queen of diamonds and I have nine. Where is the tenth? Yes, partner might pass 2♥ and I might rack up 170. I also might rack up 110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumdog50 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Always prefer to show a 60-carder; so I would rebid 2 HeartsCheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgalt Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 2D. Partner will assume I'm 5-4, but I'd rather have a second place to land than worry about missing a 6-2 heart fit if he's weak.(And 4-4 diamonds might well be a better game than 6-2 hearts, because I can take discards on the hearts.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLow21 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I diasgree with the assessment that hearts is necessarily trumps. Kenberg made an excellent point about that. Give partner 4 decent diamonds and a singleton heart, and this thing is going to be WAY more productive with diamonds as the boss suit and the heart suit as the side suit for discards. 6-4-6. I can't agree with any of the rationales for rebidding hearts without showing the diamonds first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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