Mbodell Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=sak42haq6dakjtck9&n=st98653h7d984caj6&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=2c(strong)p2d(art%20GF%20pos)p2n(22+%20bal)p4h(txf)p4sppp]266|200[/hv] We don't play any Kokish here. 2♦ shows the non-bust hands. Lead was a ♥ to the K, A and then trump split 2-1 for all the tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 What's the difference between transferring with 3♥ and bidding 4♥ for you ? You're very badly placed compared to many pairs, but I need to understand exactly how badly. If you have the wide range 2N rebid, I think consuming space with 4♥ is not good as if you could bid say 3♥-3N(support and better than minimum) you could easily catch up. With 4 card support and a 25 count, I'd be inclined to break the 4♥ transfer, can 5 be terrible opposite a non bust ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion77 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 What's your 2NT rebid range? With an ace, a singleton and a 6 carder, I think North can make a simple 3♥ transfer to see if South can superaccept. If that's a mild slam invitation, I think you might be pushing a bit if 2NT is 22-23 balanced but looking at South's nice 24 count, it's not clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Not pleased with how N managed his values as the use of texas placed his hand in charge with no clue if he could afford to bid again. Although N had a nice hand without any idea how many trumps the opening hand holds the 5 level could be too much. A 3 level transfer far better as no matter how the strong hand reacts N can make a move. Mind you on this hand S sees a S xfer they will be quite pleased and when N makes a move slam will easily be reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 What's the difference between transferring with 3♥ and bidding 4♥ for you ? 3♥ followed by 3nt over 3♠ is a CoG with 5 spades.3♥ followed by 4♠ would be a slam try with 6+ spades.3♥ followed by 4m would show 2 suits.3♥ followed by 4♥ could likely lead to confusion, but I think is 5-5 CoG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 3♥ followed by 3nt over 3♠ is a CoG with 5 spades.3♥ followed by 4♠ would be a slam try with 6+ spades.3♥ followed by 4m would show 2 suits.3♥ followed by 4♥ could likely lead to confusion, but I think is 5-5 CoG? In which case you're hamstrung by your methods, but I think S with AKxx and a 25 count should break the 4♥ transfer. Since he wants to protect his ♣Kx, breaking it to 5♠ is probably best and partner will bid 6. Is 2N-4♣ gerber ? if you're prepared to give that up then 2N-4♣ as 5-5 majors and 3♥ then 4♥ as a 6 card slam try opposite a big 2N would solve this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Even without changing your methods the North hand is just too strong for 4♥. A 1st round control a 2nd rounder and a 6th trump with an extremely likely favorable opening lead make it well worth 3♥. Six is cold opposite a lot less in the south hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 No blame. 9 losers opposite an average 7 cover cards. But ok, a good post mortem would be 2C 2D2NT 3H4C 6S As they say: "A tecnicist is someone who knows exactly what to do the moment he does something else"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Even without changing your methods the North hand is just too strong for 4♥. A 1st round control a 2nd rounder and a 6th trump with an extremely likely favorable opening lead make it well worth 3♥. Six is cold opposite a lot less in the south hand. The problem is that it's only cold opposite a lot less WITH a spade fit, indeed AKxx, Axx, AJ10x, Kx is plenty, but the problem is that partner probably thinks AQ, AKQ, AKxx, KQxx is a good hand and will accept a slam try, all he needs is Jxxxxx and A♣ for it to be good, but without J♠ it's poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Given your methods, there is no little blame. N can't afford to show a slam try since his spades are too weak and the rest of the hand doesn't quite offset that problem. Sure, we can all see that had he bid 3♥, S would super-accept but that is being silly. 3♥ then 4♠ is a slam try opposite a non-super-accept! And this hand doesn't quite qualify. S could have bid more than 4♠....but N needs no more than QJxxxx and out.....QJxxxx xx xxx xx would be an easy texas hand and even the 5-level is uncomfortable. I would blame methods here as to say 90% and S 10% and N nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Depends what "non-bust" means. For me it means more than quack-6th of spades, so I would blame South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 north. he has a 4 or 5 tricks opposite a 2c opener. whilst south could have a go too, the 5 five level isn't totally safe - qjxxxx spades and out is trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 No blame. It is the excellent S fit that makes this. Change your methods so Nth can transfer with 3H and sth can make a cue based on great spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 many have echoed this but definitely 3h followed by 4s to make a mild slam try. Mild slam try asks p to go to six with a close to minimum hand a trump fit and loaded in controls. It is easy to imagine p with Axxx Axx Axx KQx and either red suit KQ combination = 22 (min for this system) and 6S a wonderful contract. The arbitrary decision to sign off in 4S fails to consider slam opposite a minimum but hands with even greater potential are also eliminated. P will be in a horrific bind it they hold AKxx AKx AKxx Kx where 7s is easy but they are entirely too concerned you could have xxxxxx xx xxx xx where venturing to the 5 level is unsafe. I think the 22+ is unplayable but that does not affect this hand IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 With 4 card support and a 25 count, I'd be inclined to break the 4♥ transfer, can 5 be terrible opposite a non bust ? Maybe it doesn't make any difference for your analysis, but I only count 24 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Maybe it doesn't make any difference for your analysis, but I only count 24 HCP. Sorry I miscounted, but still a 2 point range above minimum (22+ was listed) which was my point, ie a hand that many people would have Kokish'd putting them in a better position than you, and also one where 5 is fairly safe. Even opposite the QJxxxx, xx, xxx, xx quoted earlier, you're not worse than one of two finesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 S would super-accept but that is being silly. Not at all. Our discussed partnership agreement (especially after 1nt, simple transfer followed by a jump to game) is that this "slam" try is much milder than most play having trolled for a super accept (and we have 3 ways to do it) that we didn't get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 you could have xxxxxx xx xxx xx where venturing to the 5 level is unsafe. I think the 22+ is unplayable but that does not affect this hand IMO Snipped your post, but is this really a 2♦ GF ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 north. he has a 4 or 5 tricks opposite a 2c opener. whilst south could have a go too, the 5 five level isn't totally safe - qjxxxx spades and out is trouble.That should probably be shown as a bust though - you can still force it to game if opener shows 23 balanced. One definition I have seen for a bust opposite 2♣, is no Ace, no King, not 2 Queens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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