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1eyedjack Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Hand 1.So, 3N by West should make. 4S by East should go one down. 4C by South should go 4 down.The interesting point about the hand is E/W decision to bid a speculative game rather than a certain penalty. We are not told the type of scoring, but 3 down would have been enough even at MP.At one point 4S was making, when South rose with the Club King, but it requires some card reading which East was not up to.4C? Seriously? Hand 2GIB might expect you to overcall 2N on first round with South. From recollection I do not believe it places an upper limit on UNT. Perhaps it should. Perhaps my recollection is wrong anyway.South has one fewer total points than indicated by 3D. (We do not count both honour points and shortage points in the Jackleton Spade). That does not seem significant.South has two fewer HCP than indicated by the 4D (if you count the Jackleton, otherwise 3 fewer). Perhaps these hands just serve to illustrate the odd outcomes that can result from GIB placing absolute trust that its opponents are bidding down the middle GIBberish. For me, it is more important to concentrate on hands where the human does bid according to GIB system and despite which GIB then goes off the rails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surelyours Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Hand 1....4C? Seriously? Hand 2GIB might expect you to overcall 2N on first round with South. ...Perhaps these hands just serve to illustrate the odd outcomes that can result from GIB placing absolute trust that its opponents are bidding down the middle GIBberish. For me, it is more important to concentrate on hands where the human does bid according to GIB system and despite which GIB then goes off the rails. Thank you very much,Senior player. I learned some valuable info on parsing the auction from your proofreading.4C was partly kidding, and partly sacrifice.For I do doubt robot could understand 1C-2NT overbidding, and how it goes further, so I quit. I was trying to rebid diamond to give my pard robot an identical figure of my hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 At one point 4S was making, when South rose with the Club King, but it requires some card reading which East was not up to.When South underleads spades for the second time (trick 4), Declarer is home free. He can lead to ♠A, then back to ♥A, cash ♠K, and run diamonds for 4 spades, 1 heart and 5 diamonds = 10 tricks. You interpret GIB's action as failure to read cards; I interpret it as being greedy for matchpoints instead of being happy that South had handed him the trump suit on a silver platter. po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to. (The third spade trick uncovers South's generosity.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 When South underleads spades for the second time (trick 4), Declarer is home free. He can lead to ♠A, then back to ♥A, cash ♠K, and run diamonds for 4 spades, 1 heart and 5 diamonds = 10 tricks. You interpret GIB's action as failure to read cards; I interpret it as being greedy for matchpoints instead of being happy that South had handed him the trump suit on a silver platter. po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to. (The third spade trick undcovers South's generosity.)The double dummy analysis shows that there is no (double dummy) defence once South rises with C:K at trick 3. Whether what then follows is reasonable at single dummy, well hence the card reading caveat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surelyours Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 When South underleads spades for the second time (trick 4), Declarer is home free. He can lead to ♠A, then back to ♥A, cash ♠K, and run diamonds for 4 spades, 1 heart and 5 diamonds = 10 tricks. You interpret GIB's action as failure to read cards; I interpret it as being greedy for matchpoints instead of being happy that South had handed him the trump suit on a silver platter. po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to. (The third spade trick uncovers South's generosity.) Another instance showing robot would rather pursue more tricks than positive scores. Haven't they been set priorities among these factors？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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