aguahombre Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 but at least in some ZOs, not the doubles or redoubles, and they are by regulation "self-Alerting". You'll get in trouble if you do that.We also get in trouble if we assume Phil was serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 We also get in trouble if we assume Phil was serious.We also get in trouble if we read Phil's posts. They should come with a warning label. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 We also get in trouble if we read Phil's posts. They should come with a warning label. :)Maybe they should be alerted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Kit - From kitbag, or kit bag, is what soldiers called their bags that held, well, everything they needed to carry around with them. Often used with Kaboodle or Caboodle ("the whole kit and kaboodle"), which also referred to a collection of items or friends, and may be derived from inheritance or estate. Kaboodle was often shortened to boodle, and in that form it may be interchangeable with bootie, as in illegally obtained funds. That may not be what Ed is referring to, but I like it. :)Just pack up your troubles in your old kit bag and smile, smile, smile :) :) :) Kit could also refer to that guy who wrote Partnership Defense. I think it won an award or two. We also get in trouble if we assume Phil was serious.We also get in trouble if we read Phil's posts. They should come with a warning label. :)Maybe they should be alerted.The right half of my brain says it's only an announcement, like over 1NT openings in the ACBL. The left half of my brain says it's not only Alertable, but is actually a pre-Alert at the start of every round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 As I understand it, if you have no "kit", then your suit response to partner's double of a weak 2 is natural, probably five or more cards in the suit, and anything from 0 HCP up to just below whatever you would cue bid with. IOW a natural and (nearly) unlimited bid. As near as I can tell, given that the ACBL alert regulations don't directly address this auction at all, such bids do not require an alert. An assumption here is that you would pass the double only with a hand that wants to convert it to penalty. I think (I could be wrong) that if you would also pass on some hands because you are "not strong enough to bid", that still requires no alert. I think you misunderstand. If you are playing Lebensohl, a 3-level response to partner's takeout double promises values. I cannot imagine this not requiring an alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think you misunderstand. If you are playing Lebensohl, a 3-level response to partner's takeout double promises values. I cannot imagine this requiring an alert.Maybe I have misunderstood something now, but does this say what you meant to say? I have always alerted a 3-level response to partner's take-out double precisely because it promises values whereas it would not do so if I weren't playing Lebensohl. It therefore shows something that would be unexpected by an oppo who didn't know I was playing Lebensohl. Isn't that a good reason for an alert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Maybe I have misunderstood something now, but does this say what you meant to say? I have always alerted a 3-level response to partner's take-out double precisely because it promises values whereas it would not do so if I weren't playing Lebensohl. It therefore shows something that would be unexpected by an oppo who didn't know I was playing Lebensohl. Isn't that a good reason for an alert? LOL there was a "not" missing in my post. I have gone back and fixed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think you misunderstand. If you are playing Lebensohl, a 3-level response to partner's takeout double promises values. I cannot imagine this not requiring an alert.But blackshoe said "if you have no kit", meaning that you're not playing Lebensohl. He meant "kit" to refer to a convention or gadget that allows you to be more specific than traditional responses to takeout doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 'Kit" is British slang for, I think, "tools" or some such. Stefanie (Vampyr) used it, so I replied in kind. Sorry if it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was what I was doing. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevperk Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Its hard to tell sometimes when you don't use the quote. And, of course, what the hell is a kit (rhetorical, I don't care, but obviously not a term that's universal). I think it is similar to gadget, tool, convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I thought a kit was a collection of tools, conventions, gadgets....similar to the rhetorical "bag". So, if we have no kit, Lebensohl is just one of the things we don't have available for the occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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