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What is meaning of 2S by the doubler? Very strong hand with 5 Spades? No Heart support and just 4 spades?

 

Thank you!

 

No 4 card supp and a hand which was too strong to overcall spades previously. It is 5+ spades.

 

Also keep in mind when pd doubles and then bids a new suit against your weak response, you should no longer expect him to hold support for all unbid suits.

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That's true, but note that 2 is not the weak response here. Everything else is right - if doubler has no support for an unbid suit and not enough strength for double-then-bid, then they should pass. So, 2 can't show lack of support for hearts and a hand that's not very strong.
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A lot comes down to how you play the jump response. For most it's about 8-11 HCPs so opener must bid on with (a good) 14 in case there is game. I would expect the 2S bid therefore to simply be natural and constructive - and forcing for one round.

 

This is another reason why I like to play jump responses as promising 5+ cards (cf. some other thread). Then opener can raise with 3 which makes finding the right contract much easier.

 

ahydra

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Thank you all! What if doubler has minimum TOD strength with three not so good looking hearts and four spades? There could be much better Spades fit than Hearts. Can't 2H bidder figure out that partner is very unlikely to have Double-and-Bid strength?

 

Then presumably responder would have bid 2C to show 2 places to play.

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with 4 spades and 3 hearts doubler passes. if his partner was 44 in majors, he wouldn't have bid 2h. yes you might have a better fit in diamonds if responder is 44 in reds, but then you'd have to go a level higher to find it anyway which is normally not worth it, so bidding on is strong and game forcing after the jump response.

 

many beginners have a fear of 43 fits. don't let that affect your bidding. just learn to play them better.

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then you bid 3c. 2s would be atrocious.

 

I don't disagree! (Though 3C would surely be GF, while we just want to invite.) My point was, saying "with 4S 3H doubler passes" was incomplete - something to watch out for in the N/B forum (cf. the time I learnt that "with 7+ of a suit you open it 3x", then I picked up a thirteen count with seven clubs...)

 

ahydra

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