manudude03 Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=shakj94dq8632c852&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1dp1h1s2d4s]133|200[/hv] The pips are approximate (this was at a bidding table so cannot recall the hands exactly), but all the cards down to the 9 are right. What's your call here? (and no, no fit jumps were available last round) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I would bid 6♦, but that tell everybody that I have spade void, so depending on opponents, I would throw here or there a 4NT bid before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I would bid 6♦, but that tell everybody that I have spade void, so depending on opponents, I would throw here or there a 4NT bid before. I like this idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Total CCV is around 35~37 (w'b more if p has six+ card) . So it is between 6♦ and 7♦. 36+ is ok for a grand slam. IMO 6♦=10 ; 5♠=10 ; 4NT=9 ; 5♦=7 ; 7♦=6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 6D looks great until partner puts down xxx x AKJxxx QJx :/ Still, RHO might not lead clubs, and we've nowhere else to go, so (4NT followed by) 6D it is. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Total CCV is around 35~37 (w'b more if p has six+ card) . So it is between 6♦ and 7♦. 36+ is ok for a grand slam. IMO 6♦=10 ; 5♠=10 ; 4NT=9 ; 7♦=6. I think you're overestimating the chance of grand, even if you're not missing the ace of clubs, something like Qx, xx, AKJ10xx, Axx is still not great. I dislike 5♠ particularly at pairs where you will not make the overtrick in 6 opposite xxx, Q, AKxxxx, KQx that you might have made by blasting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 6D looks great until partner puts down xxx x AKJxxx QJx :/You are being kind - could also be ♠xx ♥Qx ♦ AKJTxx ♣Jxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I think you're overestimating the chance of grand, even if you're not missing the ace of clubs, something like Qx, xx, AKJ10xx, Axx is still not great. I dislike 5♠ particularly at pairs where you will not make the overtrick in 6 opposite xxx, Q, AKxxxx, KQx that you might have made by blasting it. I agree we'd get a spade lead after 4NT. Yep, 5♠ leads us nowhere assumed that we will never get ♠A, the biddings support this assumption. I'd consider grand if I had been given one more heart carder, but still I would had started 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I have a question for 4 NT bidders. What does 4 NT actually ask/show in your pdship ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I have a question for 4 NT bidders. What does 4 NT actually ask/show in your pdship ?4NT is always RKCB, right? especially if 4♣ is not available. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I have a question for 4 NT bidders. What does 4 NT actually ask/show in your pdship ? It means what I want it to mean every time of course, and this time it is KCB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Partner on this board had xxx Q AKxxxx Kxx, and there's no ruffs going so 6D was easy, make the king of clubs the ace and it's cold for 7 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 It means what I want it to mean every time of course, and this time it is KCB If you were to have stopper in their suit, would you really want to be in 4NT or defend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Partner on this board had xxx Q AKxxxx Kxx, and there's no ruffs going so 6D was easy, make the king of clubs the ace and it's cold for 7 :) And the ♣A was in west... wasn't it? Therefore jumping to 7♦ after Blackwood(?!) sounds good provided we have the ♥Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 And the ♣A was in west... wasn't it? Therefore jumping to 7♦ after Blackwood(?!) sounds good provided we have the ♥Q. Not that it matters in 6D, but yes it was :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 If I am playing strong jump shifts my failure to bid 2h over 1d would make 4n an unmistakeable rkc for diamonds. If not playing SJS then I cannot be sure partner will not take my 4n as asking about hearts. That may not sound like a problem at first but imagine partner replying to 4n (thinking hearts) and then we suddenly bid 6d and they have the dia K hmmmmm are you sure they will not try 7?? I am not and the possible confusion factor would keep me from bidding 4n. Preempts work keep doing them. BTW I think 6D is a very reasonable compromise bid under the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 In my world 4NT is two places to play. I'd bid it with something like x AKJxxx Qx xxxx. I don't think 6♦ particularly implies a spade void, but I like Fluffy's idea of bidding Blackwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I am passing on the idea of 13 tricks although it is possible partner might have the right hand. The key card idea has merit but the flaw there is it becomes easy for my LHO to bid C lead direct having already located a spade save. I like the blast for this reason only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I think you're overestimating the chance of grand, even if you're not missing the ace of clubs, something like Qx, xx, AKJ10xx, Axx is still not great. I dislike 5♠ particularly at pairs where you will not make the overtrick in 6 opposite xxx, Q, AKxxxx, KQx that you might have made by blasting it. How often is there a honor in the three spades drawn from 13 spade-deck? 29% < --- wrong! Edited: 71%Therefore chance for grand is not Good w absolute minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 How often is there a honor in the three spades drawn from 13 spade-deck? 29%Ignoring the auction, the chance of one or more honours from 3 cards is 1 - ((8.7.6)/(13.12.11)) ~= 80%. I assume your 29% is the calculation for no picture honour (with odds of one appearing being ~71%) but even if you are calculating something else entirely I am not absolutely certain why this calculation is relevant. As an example, the actual hand had no spade honour from 3 but no play for 7. Add the ♠J and change ♣K to the ace and the grand makes. So how does this bring us forward? Just as an aside, the chance of drawing an honour from a single card is 5/13 = 38% so something must have tipped you off that 29% could not be correct for 3 cards surely?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Ignoring the auction, the chance of one or more honours from 3 cards is 1 - ((8.7.6)/(13.12.11)) ~= 80%. I assume your 29% is the calculation for no picture honour (with odds of one appearing being ~71%) but even if you are calculating something else entirely I am not absolutely certain why this calculation is relevant. As an example, the actual hand had no spade honour from 3 but no play for 7. Add the ♠J and change ♣K to the ace and the grand makes. So how does this bring us forward? Just as an aside, the chance of drawing an honour from a single card is 5/13 = 38% so something must have tipped you off that 29% could not be correct for 3 cards surely?! Sorry Wrong calc. 71% is right :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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