badderzboy Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Partner opens and you hold [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakxxhdaqj109xckxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] We play Splinters etc how do you respond to 1♠?If you're using Jacoby 2NT what do you rebid if partner bids 3♦ showing a singleton / lead? If you bid 2♦ - delayed game raise partner bids 2♠? If you bid 4♥- splinter partner bids 4♠? If you RKCB ptr replies 5♠ 2 & Qand over 5NT ptr shows 1 king... Do u bid 7 and do u bid 7♠ or 7NT given it's MPs? Steve Full hands [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sakxxhdaqj109xckxx&s=sq10xxxxhakxxdxcax]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] How do u get to 7♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 1♠-2♦2♠-4♥4♠-5♥6♣-7♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Since we only have 11 tricks (and the ♦ give me 1 more actually), I won't bid 7NT... 6NT on the other hand is safer than 6♠. I would also start like Fluffy: 1♠ - 2♦ (keep it slow, we have time)2♠ - 4♥ (splinter obviously)4♠ - ... But then I'm not sure what to do. Probably 5♥ to show void, but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I agree with fluffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Partner opens and you hold [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakxxhdaqj109xckxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] We play Splinters etc how do you respond to 1♠?If you're using Jacoby 2NT what do you rebid if partner bids 3♦ showing a singleton / lead? If you bid 2♦ - delayed game raise partner bids 2♠? If you bid 4♥- splinter partner bids 4♠? If you RKCB ptr replies 5♠ 2 & Qand over 5NT ptr shows 1 king... Do u bid 7 and do u bid 7♠ or 7NT given it's MPs? Steve Full hands [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sakxxhdaqj109xckxx&s=sq10xxxxhakxxdxcax]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] How do u get to 7♠ 1) How we would do it: 2♦ (4-5 looser any distribution, 12+hcp) - 3♦ (12+HCP, 5+♦, almost slam forcing)3♠ (5+♠) - 4♠ (fit)4NT (RKCB) - 5♠ (0/3 of 5)5♥ ( How many Kings?) - 5NT ( 1K)7♠ 2) Playing Jacoby 1♠ - 2NT (strong with fit)3♦ (single/void) - 3♥ (Asking bid possible answers: 3♠ = void[3NT then is RKCB], 3NT single♦ with 0/3 aces of 5), 4♣ single with 1/4 of, 4♦ single 2 aces without trump Q, 4♥ single 2 aces with trump Q)4♥ - 4[NT] (what about kings)5♦ (one K, you know it must be ♥)) - 7♠ 3) After SpliterThe treatment described in 2) asking about void/aces is applied here to1♠ - 4♥(splinter)4[NT] (asking) - 5♣ (void)5♦ (now aces) - 5♥ (0/3 of 4 since ♥ is void)5[NT] (kings?] - 6♦ (one, obviously ♣K)7♠ You will find, that even with this hand, a lot of player will stop in 6.So 7♠ will be better than average. With ♦ king missing North needs the finesse to play 7NT and South needs to to get rid of 2 ♥. At 7♠ NS knows they can ruff the ♦ until they are high.So i will play save 7♠=, and take no risk in 7NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 1S 2C (GF symmetric relay)2D (bal, majors or 3 suited) 2H (relay)3C (2 suited majors, high shortage) 3D (relay)3S (6412) 4C (relay)4NT (9 slam points (A = 3 K = 2 Q = 1)) 5C (relay)5NT (1 top honour in spades, 1/2 in hearts and clubs) 7S (go away) These kind of slams are what our system is designed for. Relayer can place opener with: Qxxxxx in spadesQx worst case scenario in clubs. But in this case it would be impossible to make up 9 slam points, since AKQ in hearts would only add up to 6, and this has been denied (by bypassing 5H, which would show 0/3 top honours in hearts). Therefore opener's hand is known exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 The relay and the 1♠-4♥ splinter auctions are convincing to me (though in the splinter I'd like to know why would opener bid 4NT instead of 4♠, but ok). The rest fail to realize about opener's diamond control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 1S 2C (GF symmetric relay)2D (bal, majors or 3 suited) 2H (relay)3C (2 suited majors, high shortage) 3D (relay)3S (6412) 4C (relay)4NT (9 slam points (A = 3 K = 2 Q = 1)) 5C (relay)5NT (1 top honour in spades, 1/2 in hearts and clubs) 7S (go away) These kind of slams are what our system is designed for. Relayer can place opener with: Qxxxxx in spadesQx worst case scenario in clubs. But in this case it would be impossible to make up 9 slam points, since AKQ in hearts would only add up to 6, and this has been denied (by bypassing 5H, which would show 0/3 top honours in hearts). Therefore opener's hand is known exactly. Hmmm, interesting... I thought Benji acol didn't use symmetric relay... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Bah. Forgot to read the whole question. Just saw the hands and bid it my way. Playing Benji it's a touch harder. 1S 3D (strong jump shift)3H 3S (sets trumps)4C (cue) 4D (extra values in diamonds)4NT RKCB 6H Odd + void in hearts7S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 ours would be 1♥ : 1NT 1NT=10+, <4 hearts 2♠ : 3♥3♥=ogust for spades 4♣ : 4♦4♣=good hand (judgment), bad suit; 4♦=CAB 4♠ : 5♣4♠=2nd round control; 5♣=CAB 5♠ : 7♠5♠=Ax(x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 1S-2D2S-3S4C-4D4H-5C5D-7S I do not like a splinter over 2S by partner. This will often trap them into bidding 4S, over which you are clearly going to bid again. In general splintering then bidding again is not a good thing. I would just bid 3S, hoping to hear a 4C cue, then keep cuebidding in hopes of hearing about a second round diamond control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 1S-2D2S-3S4C-4D4H-5C5D-7S I do not like a splinter over 2S by partner. This will often trap them into bidding 4S, over which you are clearly going to bid again. In general splintering then bidding again is not a good thing. I would just bid 3S, hoping to hear a 4C cue, then keep cuebidding in hopes of hearing about a second round diamond control. I like Justin's sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 1S-2D2S-3S4C-4D4H-5C5D-7S I do not like a splinter over 2S by partner. This will often trap them into bidding 4S, over which you are clearly going to bid again. In general splintering then bidding again is not a good thing. I would just bid 3S, hoping to hear a 4C cue, then keep cuebidding in hopes of hearing about a second round diamond control. I like Justin's sequence. Not playing Acol, you don't - 3♠ is invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Exactly my thought... Why do you all show sequences of other systems while it was clearly stated that you play BENJI ACOL? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Well I misread the question. That was my excuse. Of course, this problem is easily solved by not playing Benji Acol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Again we have a comment criticizing Acol. In a previous post I asked you to express your reasons for your dislike of Acol and you neglected to do so. If you make gratuitous comments of this ilk, you really do need to back them up with some reasoning and logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Actaully I did. You sent me a private message and I went back to the topic and posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Sorry I missed this and still can't find the post. can you please point me to it. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Try: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=6318 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Thx sent you a personal reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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