xx1943 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hi all This hand occurred as #1 in a BIL-team-match Table 1 bid 4 ♠+1. Table 2 bid 6♣ +1 when EAST chose to rebid 3♣ instead of 2♠ or 3 ♠ [hv=d=n&v=n&n=s6h9876dkqt72ct75&w=sa4hakt43dcqj8642&e=sjt87532hqda3cak9&s=skq9hj52dj98654c3]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 7 ♣ is not foolproof but worth to bid imo. But to be honest I see no way to get even to 6♣. My pd and I would probably end up in 4♠, 5♠ or 6♠ :ph34r: How do you bid with your favourite pd this ugly hand. Do you have the tools, to find out The spade flaw, the Club fit and the heart Q. What is your bid with the WEST hand, when pd opens 1 ♠?Do you bid 2♥ or 2♣? Regards Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Very difficult to bid. An undisturbed relay auction might get there, but North would bid some nr. of diamonds after a strong club opener. In 2/1 I don't see how you could get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mila85 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I can construct a bidding sequence how we get there but it needs to see both hand and always use the right bid.... :ph34r: e.g.1s-2h 2s-3c3nt-4c4nt-5s7c 3nt because my spades are bad4c because I don't want to play 3nt with 6-5 hand4nt Ooops, my hand is not so bad.5s Two aces and club queen.7c We have all the aces :huh:(4nt was natural sing off but we both forgot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Well I will give two auctions to consider... One is vanilla 2/1 GF, the other is my own auction which will be "artificial" in some ways. Vanilla... 1♠ - 2♣2♠ - 3♥3NT - 4♥4NT - 5♣7♣ - Pass Four hearts here shows 6-5 or 7-5 hand. longer clubs, and "extra values". It is impossible to imagine not getting to at least 6♣ now. I would play 4NT over 4♥ as two suit RKCB btw (given teh 3NT bid), and responder would be able to show AK of hearts and spade ACE (three), so it would be childs play to bid the grand slam. (When responder or opener shows monster two suiter and other hand shows balanced hand, I use two suit RKCB). Alternatively opener can just bid 6♣. My way, 1♠ - 2]cl] (2C = drury or 2/1 GF), 2♦ - 2♥ (2D = better than min, 2♥ = real suit, GF, real clubs)2♠ - 3♥ (2S = extra Sp, I might try 3C instead, 3H = 5-6 or more clubs4{cl] - 4♦ (4C = set trumps, 4D = cue)4♥ - 4♠ (4♥ = cue, 4♠ = ciue) 5♦ - 5NT (5D = cue, slam force, 5NT = GSF)7♣ - Pass (7C = two of top three club honors) The not so secret "secret" to this hand is to let your partner know have longer clubs than hearts, and slam intrest. If you respond like that, you will always get to at least 6♣. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 It is not easy to get to 7♣ and now I have seen both hands I don't trust myself to give an honest auction. I am certain, however, that the correct response on West hand is 2♣ and not 2♥. There is no reason on a GF (nearly slam force!) hand to lie about your suit lengths. You should get to 6♣ at least after a start like 1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♥ Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Easier yet: 1♠ - 2♣2♠ - 3♥4♣ - 5♦5N - ???? 5♦ = EKCB; 5N = 2 w/o Q Possible to bid 7 here I think, just needs the A♦. Perhaps 4♦ kickback is better, since the A♦ IS a useful card. There are some death hands, but 7 seems like a reasonable propostion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hi all This hand occurred as #1 in a BIL-team-match Table 1 bid 4 ♠+1. Table 2 bid 6♣ +1 when EAST chose to rebid 3♣ instead of 2♠ or 3 ♠ Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ 6 ♥ 9876 ♦ KQT72 ♣ T75 ♠ A4 ♥ AKT43 ♦ [space] ♣ QJ8642 ♠ JT87532 ♥ Q ♦ A3 ♣ AK9 ♠ KQ9 ♥ J52 ♦ J98654 ♣ 3 7 ♣ is not foolproof but worth to bid imo. But to be honest I see no way to get even to 6♣. My pd and I would probably end up in 4♠, 5♠ or 6♠ :P How do you bid with your favourite pd this ugly hand. Do you have the tools, to find out The spade flaw, the Club fit and the heart Q. What is your bid with the WEST hand, when pd opens 1 ♠?Do you bid 2♥ or 2♣? Regards Al 1S 2C2D(waiting, either minimum or balanced, any strength) 2S(4 or more hearts, with 5 or more clubs and extra value)3C(support) 3H(5 hearts)3S(extra length in spades) 4C(waiting, extra)4D(RKC) 5N(two KC with trump Q and a working void, which must be diamonds)6D(king asking(with SK, I'd probably play 6S)) 6H(HK)7C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarceldB Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 In some above bidding sequences East takes the initiative with Ace asking and you don't know the eventually needed J♣ with a ♠ lead, because hoping for a 2/2 break in the blacks can be too optimistic. in REGRESsion: 1♣= 8-12p. with any s/void (4441 up to 7330 òr an 1-suiter 8-12c 7-11p.)• 1♦ =relay1♥= s/v♥ OR s/v♣ then L=Major or any 5/5•1♠= relay2♠ = s/v♥, L=♠ and an 1-suiter •2NT= relay3♦= a max (11-12p.) and 7321 (Q♥ + J♠ do not count)•3♥= relay3♠= 7=1=2=3•4♥= SLam Asking Bid ♣5♣*= 0 or 3 of 5 (by the way: KQJxxxx, Q, KQ, xxx = not a max)•5NT= Suit Asking Bid ♥ (if non you are safe)6♦= Queen♥•7♣ *System allows you (more memory strain because exception to the exception) to handle in a better way the 0-3 answer=just the trump suit bid in case R can not read it and to be able to play 4M too), the answer will be then:5NT= 3 Aces + Q♥ For your info: with an other diviation of the honours, no problem either. Regards,Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 With Richard (MOSCITO): 1♥ - 1♠2♦ - 2♥2♠ - 2NT3♥ - 3♠3NT - 4♣4NT - 5♣5♦ - 7♣ Opener shows a 7-1-2-3 with 8 SP (A=3, K=2, Q=1, singleton K/Q = 0), no tophonour ♠ => ♦A & ♣AK With my f2f partner (Strong ♣ system with 10-15 5+M 1M opening): 1♠ - 1NT2♥ - 2♠2NT - 3♣3NT - 4♣5♣ - 5♦5♥ - 7♣ Same here: opener shows a 7-1-2-3 with 8 SP (A=3, K=2, Q=1, singleton K/Q = 0), no tophonour ♠ => ♦A & ♣AK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 With standard 2/1: 1♠-2♥2♠-3♣3♠-4♦4NT-5♥5♠ I can think on some other auctions that stop in 4♠ and 6♠, none in ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 In any basic system getting to 6C is easy. The trick is getting to 7. A non-artificial auction should always start 1♠ 2♣2♠ 3♥4♣ because West should respond in his longest suit, and East should admit to having AKx support as soon as possible. Any sensible auction will now get to 6. Perhaps you could continue 4♦ cue bid5♦ 5♠ super-suitable hand, cue bid; shows the SA7♣ though that is more with the benefit of seeing all the hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 It is not easy to get to 7♣ and now I have seen both hands I don't trust myself to give an honest auction. I am certain, however, that the correct response on West hand is 2♣ and not 2♥. There is no reason on a GF (nearly slam force!) hand to lie about your suit lengths. You should get to 6♣ at least after a start like 1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♥ I strongly agree with Eric here. The beauty of 2/1 auctions in 2/1 GF is that you can bid out your shape, so you should make use of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcin91 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hi. Here is how we would bid it with my partner: 1♠ limited to 15 pts, 5 card majors.1NT (GF) 2♠ 1-suited hand, not maximum3♣ (nat) 4♥ splinter4NT rkc 5 ♦ 0 or 37♣ I can see that partner has xxxxxx x Axx AKx . without any other card, 7 only needs hearts 4-3 (if they lead a trump). Partner wouldn't splinter with the above hand since it is a dead minimum, so he must have extras somewhere, either in length or strength. Give him xxxxxx x Ax AKx (still quite minimum) and now 7 makes with spades 2-2 and trumps 3-1 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ 6 ♥ 9876 ♦ KQT72 ♣ T75 ♠ A4 ♥ AKT43 ♦ [space] ♣ QJ8642 ♠ JT87532 ♥ Q ♦ A3 ♣ AK9 ♠ KQ9 ♥ J52 ♦ J98654 ♣ 3 this is how (i think, if mike reads this he can correct it) it would go using weiss: 2♠ : 2NT - 11-16, 6+ : ogust3♥ : 4♣ - good hand/bad suit : cab5♣ : 5♦ - shows A,K or A,Q : cab5NT : 7♣ - shows Ax(x) like eric said, bidding the grand is easy when you know it makes... in r/l bidding 6♣ or ♠ is possible.. but the above bidding looks about right to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 this is how (i think, if mike reads this he can correct it) it would go using weiss: 2♠ : 2NT - 11-16, 6+ : ogust3♥ : 4♣ - good hand/bad suit : cab5♣ : 5♦ - shows A,K or A,Q : cab5NT : 7♣ - shows Ax(x) like eric said, bidding the grand is easy when you know it makes... in r/l bidding 6♣ or ♠ is possible.. but the above bidding looks about right to me Jimmy, how do you know partner has a 3 card ♣? If he has AK doubleton, you're screwed in 7♣ I'm afraid. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 maybe so... that's why it's hard to bid (or as eric said, trust yourself to bid) the exact same way you'd bid at the table... i did say that 6♣ or 6♠ might be the actual bid also, west doesn't have to bid 2nt... 3♣ is possible, when east would (probably) cue a diamond to show support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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