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I agree with this. If pard is going to accept anyway he might as well show the shortage. I don't think 4 is stronger than 4. The range for 4 is narrow enough that an accept is an accept.

I think this depends a little bit on agreements. One popular treatment is for most accepts to bid 3NT here in case partner was making a slam try rather than a game try. In that case 4 should show a very bad hand for slam, which would make 4 stronger. Then your point would still stand but now for 4 not being better than 3NT.

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General principles, surely: For X in {partscore, game, small slam, grand slam} if you bid at a level such that the next bid of the agreed denomination is X, but have not made that bid itself, this shows some interest in playing a contract at a level above X. (This does apply to grand slam as well - 7NT being the next level up, consider for example bidding 7x on the way to 7S, looking for 7NT)

 

Or to put it simply: 4D shows slam interest, since otherwise one could just bid 4S. If you've no slam interest, why give away information to opps?

 

My point was - should one really be showing slam interest with a 10-count, when your hearts could be far better than they were (and partner is probably counting on that). Admittedly playing serious/frivolous 3NT helps to distinguish the different accepts further - for example, 3NT = good hand for slam based on good heart suit/good general values, 4D = good hand for slam based on diamond shortage, 4S = bad hand for slam.

 

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