jillybean Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&w=sakt5hqj8dk984cj8&e=sj43ha42da6cak953]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - Pass 1♦ Pass 2♣ Pass 2NT Pass 3♠ Pass 4♠ Pass 6NT Pass Pass Pass Hi,Where does this auction start to go wrong, doesn't 3♠ here show 4?(couldnt get hand rotated n/s..its late) tyiajillybean2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think the 3♠ bid is strange, you've denied a 5 card major by your opening so was it asking for a stop I wonder which is dangerous if u have no partnership understanding ?. Over 2NT East should just bid 3NT, you've limited your hand and shape and East knows that you don't have slam as with a max you would have 30pts... :P Much easier playing a weak NT 1NT-3NT.. :lol: Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Jilly, yes the 3S bid should show 4. I doubt whether it was "asking for a stopper" after all this would be a somewhat silly agreement after the 2NT rebid. I think your partner got carried away by her 16 count - a very nice hand to be sure, however still a fair way from slam opposite a 12-15 with no guarantee of a fit. Best would be 1D 2C 2N 3N. CheersRon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Where does the auction start to go wrong? Opening bid obviously! In an Indi, upgrade to 15, open 1NT, so that you get to play the hand :lol: :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ AKT5 ♥ QJ8 ♦ K984 ♣ J8 ♠ J43 ♥ A42 ♦ A6 ♣ AK953 West North East South - - - Pass 1♦ Pass 2♣ Pass 2NT Pass 3♠ Pass 4♠ Pass 6NT Pass Pass Pass Hi,Where does this auction start to go wrong, doesn't 3♠ here show 4?(couldnt get hand rotated n/s..its late) tyiajillybean2YES IMHO the 3♠ bid shows 4 ------ and I would have bid 3NT with that hand :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 3♠ is suicide. If partner supports, then you can't stop in NT easily anymore. If East now bids 4NT, you'll consider it as RKC or whatever you play. East knows what he wants to play: NT or some slam in ♣. If he wants to invite, he should immediatly bid 4NT quantitative, not 3♠. West can show ♣ support by bidding 5♣ or 6♣ later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 It's the 2NT bid, where it starts to get of. Don't get me wrong, 2NT is not a bad bid, but it is a bid that you should have an agreement with your partner. You intended to show a NT hand, with stoppers in the unbid suits.Your partner was not sure if he can expect a ♠ stop, so he bid 3♠ to make sure. This is also not a bad bid, but one you need an agreement about...He expected your 2NT to show the lack of a second suit, implying that you have support for ♣ or extra length in ♦.3♠ should make you decide if the target is 3NT, 5♣ or 4/5♦. Knowing the cards 4♠ was "to play", but to your partner it was showing ♠ control and intrest in playing 6, without a known fit it must be 6NT. What we see here is a clash of to good players, each sticking to his bidding style. This shows again that "common sence" is not at all common. Playing Indi's is all about playing and bidding the "common sence" way.Since there is no such thing as a "commmon sence", you need to find the minimun meaning agreed by most players. In this case 2♠would have been this minimum bid. Your p would have understood that as 4♠ cards wth control and traveled save to 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 First question, is would a 2♠ bid by you be a reverse? In an individual I wouldn't risk it. Second question, if 2♣ is game force, would 3NT by you show a balanced hand, less than a 1NT opening bid? Again, some play this, but in an individual, I would not go jumping about. I happen to agree that with this hand in an indivudual, I probably would upgrade opener's hand and open 1NT. But not for the reason quoted (so I can play it myself)...but rather because it simplifies the auction... something you should strive for in an individual event. Finally, bidding in an indvidual is really funny sometimes. Looking at AKTx in spades, I would wonder if partner REALLY had values for a reverse in spades when I hold such good spades. I would look at partner's profile. Is he normally a 2/1 bidder? Is he marked as Beginner? Make a judgement. IF you think he has a monster hand with lots of black cards, four spades is right bid. But even if he does have that hand, how bad is 3NT? Well, you might miss slam if he has six clbus, five spades, and doubleton Ace of diamonds, but he will bid again with that hand... so you might consider a timid 3NT rebid anyway. BTW, 3♠ was horrible bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 "Best would be 1D 2C 2N 3N." Agree. KISS. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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