lycier Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 [hv=sn=lycier&s=SKJTHQ9DAKQJ7CT92&wn=机器人&w=S983HAT84DT4CQ764&nn=机器人&n=SAQ764HK63D65CAJ5&en=机器人&e=S52HJ752D9832CK83&d=w&v=b&b=84&a=P1S(Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P2D(Forcing%20two%20over%20one%20--%20biddable%20D%3B%2014+)P2S(Opener%20rebids%20suit%20--%203-%20H%3B%205+%20S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N)P3S(Support%3B%20possibly%20a%20strong%20hand%20--%203+%20S%3B)P4S(3-%20H%3B%205+%20S%3B%2011+%20HCP%3B%2012-16%20total%20points)PPP&p=H2HQHAH3C7CAC3C2S4S5SJS3STS8SQS2S7D3SKS9H9HTHKH5D6D9DADTDKD4D5D8DQC4C5D2DJC6H6C8D7H8CJHJCTCQSACKS6H7C9H4]499|350[/hv] 3♠ said 3-h,5+S,11hcp+,12-16 total points.it was very ridiculous explanations and descriptions,so I ask a question that we lost slam,whose helpless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 When I clicked on 3♠, I see "Support, possibly a strong hand -- 3+S;". The explanation you posted is what I see for the 4♠ bid. Both explanations seem reasonable for GIB. North has an almost perfect minimum, both outstanding spade honors, and controls in the unbid suits, but from North's standpoint, the lack of a diamond honor is a big minus and this still falls in the minimum opening bid for GIB. I would give serious consideration to an immediate Soloway jump shift of 3♦ and then supporting spades. As to who is helpless, I would give South more of the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I don't understand why GIB does not rebid 2NT rather than 2S with hands like this. What is 2NT supposed to show if not this hand?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I don't understand why GIB does not rebid 2NT rather than 2S with hands like this. What is 2NT supposed to show if not this hand?? IIRC, 15-17, but my memory is foggy on the range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 When I clicked on 3♠, I see "Support, possibly a strong hand -- 3+S;". The explanation you posted is what I see for the 4♠ bid. Both explanations seem reasonable for GIB. North has an almost perfect minimum, both outstanding spade honors, and controls in the unbid suits, but from North's standpoint, the lack of a diamond honor is a big minus and this still falls in the minimum opening bid for GIB. I would give serious consideration to an immediate Soloway jump shift of 3♦ and then supporting spades. As to who is helpless, I would give South more of the blame.Its a useless description. North has great slam potential more than South has reason to expect. Soloway is stupid- GIB doesn't know what to do with Soloway bids so its waste of bidding space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Its a useless description. North has great slam potential more than South has reason to expect. Soloway is stupid- GIB doesn't know what to do with Soloway bids so its waste of bidding space. If a Soloway jump shift is "stupid", then so is a 2/1 response since GIB doesn't know what to do with that response either. You've got a lot better chance of getting GIB to cooperate with an immediate jump shift with the expected minimum opening hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Its a useless description. North has great slam potential more than South has reason to expect. Soloway is stupid- GIB doesn't know what to do with Soloway bids so its waste of bidding space. I agree,it is used rarely nowadays in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I agree,it is used rarely nowadays in the world. There are a lot of things that GIB plays that aren't played much. You have a limited number of bidding sequences so if you choose to not use part of the GIB system, you are intentionally limiting your options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I may be true that Soloway SJS are not played that widely, but they should be. They are excellent for describing strong responding hands. I haven't used them enough with the bots to judge their usefulness here, but they are great with a solid human partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Contrary it seems to the flow of modern trends I quite like strong jump shifts (when not abused), but I think that their merits are diminished where the suit is lower ranking than opener’s so that a simple change of suit would already be GF. Was not one of the main reasons for development of 2/1 GF in order to ditch the GF jump shift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 That is exactly correct Jack, I don't play SJS into lower suits at the 3 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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