aiyaaiya Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 [hv=sn=bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn|me,l,t,s|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S8JHQD579QC257TQA%2CS24679AH469D348AC%2CSTQKH78TKADTJC4JK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%207%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCQ%7C]499|350[/hv] 当时 认为是惩罚 PASS 了 我想知道 如果此处X 是技术 那么 N 的位置 就没有惩罚的叫牌了 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbxkh Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 现代桥牌,这类加倍,都是技术性的。北家加倍,一般是,等待的一手,黑桃短套,方块有套,希望开叫方有3张红桃表示支持,或者是示强加倍。在2阶,至于惩罚性,一般是同伴的技术性转换过来的。此处可以看做示强加倍,因为同伴不愿意3nt封局,2nt、3c都非逼叫的叫品。同伴一手好牌,在同伴看来,是存在满贯可能的。本例,建议再叫3c即可,再次强调低限牌,没有额外的牌力。同伴叫回3nt是一般的分寸。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 热烈欢迎aiyaaiya朋友来到华人论坛同大家一起讨论学习。问题提得非常好,很有代表意义。谢谢。 lycier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 通常认为,在4♠以前的加倍都按技术性加倍理解。当然,根据持牌,你可以将同伴的技术性加倍转为惩罚性加倍(相同的,同伴也可以这样处理你的技术性加倍)。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 答案也许不一,但在很多情况下我是愿意当作惩罚性加倍的,不要看四家牌和得分的结果,那是障眼的迷雾。问题在于:1-应叫人在加倍之初就要考虑清楚了---结果是否核算。这样的惩罚性加倍多是手含4张♠,拥有逼局或邀局的牌力,而且常常是北家没有对开叫人所开叫的花色有良好的配合!!!试想,如果北家持有♦K,东家持有♣K,那么您说结果宕几?那么本贴的问题将会不复存在!所以,北家在做惩罚性加倍时,应该正确读牌在先:♣是极好的配合,♠是3张,此时的加倍是否是适切的选择?那么适切合理的后续是,再叫3♦逼叫,开叫人自动扣打3♠同时否认3张♥或♥双张--一大一小支持,这样应叫人就可以满意地叫上3nt。别忘了,二盖一体系的不共其他体系的一大优势是:进局方式的选择。如何发挥体系优势正式牌手们真实功底的实力表现。2-还在于开叫人是一个不合格的开叫!手有1.5枚赢墩,手含的11p竟然有7p是软蛋,而且还有一枚不能计点的单张♥Q!作为第一家的轻开叫,对于我而言,我极不情愿而宁愿阻击性开叫3♣,如果手痒的话。3-尤其是应该记取的是:有局局况!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 [hv=sn=bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn|me,l,t,s|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S8JHQD579QC257TQA%2CS24679AH469D348AC%2CSTQKH78TKADTJC4JK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%207%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCQ%7C]499|350[/hv] 当时 认为是惩罚 PASS 了 我想知道 如果此处X 是技术 那么 N 的位置 就没有惩罚的叫牌了 谁说没有?哎呀,有啊。这个加倍就是惩罚性加倍,只是应叫人的加倍技术运用不合理罢了。试想啊,如果北家持牌对开叫的花色不是极配,而是持有♦K,而东家持有♣K而非♦K的话,本副牌最否惩罚的结果您说下几?那样将会是另一番镜像了。注意:对手局况不利,是有局!另外,对于我而言,我认为你一阶开叫1♣也不是很适当。除非搭档约定性开叫。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 本牌例问题极好,意义深刻。没什么的,多吃几回亏,就会有助于增加对一手牌读牌的功底。感谢贴主为我们提供了这么好的问题。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 要树立正确的读牌和叫牌观念:不是所有的二阶上叫品总是顺风顺水,逍遥法外的!记得美国Kit Woolsey在桥牌十大忠告里说过:巨大的罚分,往往不是来自于对高阶定约的惩罚,而常常来自于对低级失配的定约! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiyaaiya Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 今天 一位朋友 跟我这样讲:这付牌的加倍,为什么是技术性,因为对手在第1轮都pass了,当第2轮争叫2s时,等于他pd没叫过牌。也就是说要等他pd在pass后的加倍就是罚。如:1c-ps--1h--ps 2c--2s--ps--ps dbl这时的加倍是罚。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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