broze Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Play 3NT Team scoring. [hv=pc=n&s=saqhaj7432dk764c9&n=skj932h5d83cak654&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1s2s(5-5%20in%20%21H%20and%20%21C)dpp3cppdp3nppp]266|200[/hv] East's 2♠ bid shows 5-5 in the "extreme" suits (hearts and clubs). West plays the Q♦ to East's Ace. East switches to K♥. Spoiler tags please. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 ♥A, ♠AQ (RHO showing out), ♣AK, ♦K, diamond, endplaying LHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 ♥A, ♠AQ (RHO showing out), ♣AK, ♦K, diamond, endplaying LHO. Good stuff. Tough if LHO has 6 ♦. And perhaps you should duck a ♦ first, in case RHO had ♦A9x? Also, If a cunning LHO has ♦QJT(x)2 (say) he can end-play declarer. Maybe there is more to this problem :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Good stuff. Tough if LHO has 6 ♦. And perhaps you should duck a ♦ first, in case RHO has 3? Also, If a cunning LHO has ♦QJT2 (say) he can end-play declarer. Maybe there is more to this problem :( No If that was the case (E holding Axx dia) he would have already defeated 3NT by ducking the first dia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Maybe there is more to this problem :( B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd rather play 3♣ doubled. but I'm going to make this, I think. Either spades comes home for 5 tricks naturally, or I can squeeze W out of a winning diamond by cashing my rounded suits before endplaying him in diamonds to lead a spade in the end position - and it will be 100% clear. I expect a layout like Txxxx x QJTxxx x for this to be any kind of problem. So, to summarize, I'm winning the A of hearts, cashing the AQ of spades, crossing in clubs (cashing both, pitching a diamond), then cashing the K of spades, crossing in diamonds and trying to endplay LHO in diamonds, assuming he kept all of his spades (as he had to). I'll try the same thing if RHO shows out of spades on the Ace, hoping that he is 6-5 for his bid and LHO still has to win the 3rd diamond, or that LHO has QJT9. I guess LHO can spoil this by ducking the diamond end-play, if he makes that play, hats off to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd rather play 3♣ doubled. but I'm going to make this, I think. Either spades comes home for 5 tricks naturally, or I can squeeze W out of a winning diamond by cashing my rounded suits before endplaying him in diamonds to lead a spade in the end position - and it will be 100% clear. I expect a layout like Txxxx x QJTxxx x for this to be any kind of problem. So, to summarize, I'm winning the A of hearts, cashing the AQ of spades, crossing in clubs (cashing both), then cashing the K of spades, crossing in diamonds and endplaying LHO in diamonds, assuming he kept all of his spades (as he had to). I'll try the same thing if RHO shows out of spades on the Ace, hoping that he is 6-5 for his bid and LHO still has to win the 3rd diamond, or that LHO has QJT9. Again: what if a cunning LHO lets declarer win the 4th round of ♦? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Again: what if a cunning LHO lets declarer win the 4th round of ♦? :) Then I go down - but I'm pitching a diamond on the clubs, so he better let him win the 3rd round. You're reply cross-posted with my edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I think ya'll trying to end play the wrong opponent http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif, not sure if E is endplayable though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 You're reply cross-posted with my edit No problem: I'm afraid I'm regularly guilty of posting in haste and embellishing at leisure :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 How about this ? I think we can play ♥ A, ♠ AQ, assume E discarded something on 2nd spade, we now play ♣ to A, cash 1 more spade honor and watch what east discards, he will discard another heart but it doesn't matter, now we exit with low club from dummy, E wins and now W has to discard something on 2nd club, assume he discarded diamond from his remaining 5 card diamonds, now E exits with Q of ♣ which we discard hearts and W has to discard again, if he keeps low diamond then we win the ♣ K and endplay W by playing spades, his diamond spots will be endplayed. If he keeps high diamond spots we endplay him by playing diamond. Basically i am playing E for something like x KQT9x A QJTxxx and W for Txxxx x QJTxxx x same as Chris's prediction 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 How about this ? I think we can play ♥ A, ♠ AQ, assume E discarded something on 2nd spade, we now play ♣ to A, cash 1 more spade honor and watch what east discards, he will discard another heart but it doesn't matter, now we exit with low club from dummy, E wins and now W has to discard something on 2nd club, assume he discarded diamond from his remaining 5 card diamonds, now E exits with Q of ♣ which we discard hearts and W has to discard again, if he keeps low diamond then we win the ♣ K and endplay W by playing spades, his diamond spots will be endplayed. If he keeps high diamond spots we endplay him by playing diamond. Basically i am playing E for something like x KQT9x A QJTxxx and W for Txxxx x QJTxxx x same as Chris's prediction Timo, that's unsporting. I, and other, better players gave LHO a chance to make a spectacular defensive duck and impress everyone - you have cold heartedly taken that away…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 How about this ? I think we can play ♥ A, ♠ AQ, assume E discarded something on 2nd spade, we now play ♣ to A, cash 1 more spade honor and watch what east discards, he will discard another heart but it doesn't matter, now we exit with low club from dummy, E wins and now W has to discard something on 2nd club, assume he discarded diamond from his remaining 5 card diamonds, now E exits with Q of ♣ which we discard hearts and W has to discard again, if he keeps low diamond then we win the ♣ K and endplay W by playing spades, his diamond spots will be endplayed. If he keeps high diamond spots we endplay him by playing diamond. Basically i am playing E for something like x KQT9x A QJTxxx and W for Txxxx x QJTxxx x same as Chris's prediction Beautiful assuming RHO has singleton ♦A :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I think you win 5 spades,1 heart,1 diamond,2 clubs==9 tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Beautiful assuming RHO has singleton ♦A :) I don't think it is makeable if RHO has more than 1 dia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I don't think it is makeable if RHO has more than 1 dia. It seems a difficult contract against inspired defence. For example, if ♣ are led at trick 1 or 2. But it's still a good problem and Mr Ace's solution is pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 How about this ? I think we can play ♥ A, ♠ AQ, assume E discarded something on 2nd spade, we now play ♣ to A, cash 1 more spade honor and watch what east discards, he will discard another heart but it doesn't matter, now we exit with low club from dummy, E wins and now W has to discard something on 2nd club, assume he discarded diamond from his remaining 5 card diamonds, now E exits with Q of ♣ which we discard hearts and W has to discard again, if he keeps low diamond then we win the ♣ K and endplay W by playing spades, his diamond spots will be endplayed. If he keeps high diamond spots we endplay him by playing diamond. Basically i am playing E for something like x KQT9x A QJTxxx and W for Txxxx x QJTxxx x same as Chris's prediction Maybe I'm being thick, but I don't think this works. East discards clubs on the early spades, then when we duck a club to him West throws a spade. Now East plays hearts to lock us in hand. The defence makes at least three hearts, a club and a diamond. Another thing that I don't think works is trying to hold a conversation with all the text hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Maybe I'm being thick, but I don't think this works. East discards clubs on the early spades, then when we duck a club to him West throws a spade. Now East plays hearts to lock us in hand. The defence makes at least three hearts, a club and a diamond. Another thing that I don't think works is trying to hold a conversation with all the text hidden. If east discards clubs on early spades. you do not duck club, you then simply cash all spade honors and throw in E in clubs after cashing remaining club honor, he will give you a heart for your 9th trick http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif I thought that would be easy thats why i expected E to discard hearts. And i also agree that this spoiler thing started to get on my nerves. But nothing much i can do since OP requested it specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted December 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I'd rather play 3♣ doubled. Yes, I was having trouble coming up with a plausible auction. You can pretend it is BAM if you want. :D Great analysis here, and very attractive solution by Mr Ace, although just to muddy the waters a tad, you were not quite correct when you said this: I don't think it is makeable if RHO has more than 1 dia. although nige1 did well to notice that a cunning LHO can defeat you on most layouts. It's a very cool deal. :) Feel free to stop using Spoiler tags btw. I find it beneficial for the first 2 or three posts when I accidentally scroll down and see the answer but after that don't worry too much. I'll post the full hand tomorrow some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Unblock D6 on first round playing RHO for A2. Then LHO can't avoid throw in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Great analysis here, and very attractive solution by Mr Ace, although just to muddy the waters a tad, you were not quite correct when you said this: You are right, as Erick spotted i think we can also make when E has specific A2 in diamonds. Tbh i would probably play just like Andy (Gnasher) wrote at the table and when Nige1 said "...cunning LHO.....maybe there is more to it" and you kinda implied that also with your "http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif" symbol, i woke up and tried to solve it. Otherwise i would think Andy already wrote the solution and i would have walked away from the topic. So my analysis was not all that great, since it was built on after it was implied that the previous poster's solution was incorrect/ incomplete. But thanks anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=saqhaj7432dk764c9&w=st8765hdqjt952cj2&n=skj932h5d83cak654&e=s4hkqt986dacqt873]399|300[/hv]I think it is not so difficult for West to see that he should give the fourth diamond round to South.To avoid this declarer must tighten the position. Win heart ace, unblock spades and now duck a heart. To give the defense a chance East must win and switch to clubs. This will be the end position: [hv=pc=n&s=shj7dk76c&w=st8hdjtxc&n=sj9hd9c65&e=shdc]399|300[/hv]If ♦x is the ♦8, endplay West in diamonds.If ♦x is a lower diamond, cash the ♠J and now run the ♦9If West wins he is endplayed. If not. endplay him with the ♠9 A club switch at trick 2 defeats 3NT. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Rainer,why would E bid 3♣ with 5 clubs and 6 hearts when his 2♠ already showed hearts + clubs specifically and pd did not make a preference on his turn ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Rainer,why would E bid 3♣ with 5 clubs and 6 hearts when his 2♠ already showed hearts + clubs specifically and pd did not make a preference on his turn ?Maybe you are right.But the line works just as well if East has five hearts and six clubs. East must have at most a singleton spade or there is no problem in 3NT and if East has two diamonds I do not see how 3NT can be made against best defense and anyway East heart switch would be strange with another diamond. Therefor East should have at least 11 cards in hearts and clubs. I do not see how the heart duck at trick five can loose. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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