lycier Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 [hv=sn=lycier&s=SKQT65HAK93DKJ8CK&wn=机器人&w=S987HQ2DT543CAQT2&nn=机器人&n=SJ4H854DA9762C965&en=机器人&e=SA32HJT76DQCJ8743&d=n&v=o&b=32&a=PP1S(Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20S%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)PPP&p=S7SJSAS5DQDKD5D2SKS8S4S2SQS9C5S3STC2C6C8S6CTC9CJDJD4D6H7D8D3D9C7]499|350[/hv] Now you see,our game is cool ,but a pity GIB don't respond with 5 hcp.who know the exact reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 GIB saw you complained when it responded with 4 HCP, so now it's afraid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Do you really want to be in game here? I assume that'd be 4S, which looks horrible if spades don't break and you get forced in clubs. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 ... a pity GIB don't respond with 5 hcp.who know the exact reason?You still need to remember that GIB replies with 6 or more total points, not necessarily any number of HCP. North has only 5 total points on this hand, because you don't count for both ♠J and ♠doubleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 what's 8421? how many total points is one Ace plus one Jack in 8421? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 what's 8421? how many total points is one Ace plus one Jack in 8421?8421 means ace=8, king=4, queen=2, jack=1. So the answer is nine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 8421 means ace=8, king=4, queen=2, jack=1. So the answer is nine. Thank you very much. You still need to remember that GIB replies with 6 or more total points, not necessarily any number of HCP. North has only 5 total points on this hand, because you don't count for both ♠J and ♠doubleton. helene_t's answer is 9 count,however you said GIB replies with 6 plus total points,why pass? You seem to be very contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 what's 8421? how many total points is one Ace plus one Jack in 8421?The answer is the same as when you asked that question last month. Robot answered 3♣ to show "3+8421hcp in C",I don't know its exact meanings,who can tell me? thanks. A = 8, K = 4, Q = 2, J = 1. So 3+ means at least QJ in the suit. As I understand it, this is how GIB "knows" to evaluate honor strength -- e.g. when cuebidding it doesn't think of Ace vs. no Ace in a suit, it thinks of 8+ (Ace) or 7- (no ace). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) helene_t's answer is 9 count,however you said GIB replies with 6 plus total points,why pass? You seem to be very contradiction.No. Please pay attention. GIB has several different ways of counting:High card points (HCP). A=4, K=3, Q=2, J=1. Just like every beginner book tells you.Total points. HCP + distribution (1 for doubleton, 2 for singleton, 3 for void, without double-counting for shortness with honors). This is what GIB usually uses (except for NT bids) to determine whether to bid and how high.8421 points. A=8, K=4, Q=2, J=1, and always in conjunction with a specific suit. This is used for cue-bidding sequences, so you know what honors GIB has in which suits.Relay points. A=3, K=2, Q=1, J=1. Also generally used in slam-seeking auctions, but not really predictably. Editted to include relay points, which I originally omitted. Edited December 17, 2013 by Bbradley62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 helene_t's answer is 9 count,however you said GIB replies with 6 plus total points,why pass? You seem to be very contradiction. 8421 points and total points are not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 8421 points are used for one purpose and one purpose only: to describe suit quality of a single specified suit. And none of the other three evaluation measurements are suit-specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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