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[Cyberyeti]

[hv=pc=n&n=saqt742hqjt5datc9&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1n(12-14)2c(majors%209+%20cards)p2hp]133|200[/hv]

 

Any suggestions ? What bids do you consider ? What bid do you make ?

 

I thought this wasn't straightforward, Kxxx in both reds may well make 4♥, xxxx♥/KQJx♣ may not make 3.

 

Edit: teams of 4

[eagles123]

hmm i take it 2H can be passed? so would 2S be showing a better than minimum hand with longer spades than hearts? really don't want to commit to playing in hearts if p can be say KJ xxx KJx Jxxxx

[helene_t]

2♥ can certainly be passed, in fact it almost always is since most hands good enough to bid on would have started with double rather than 2♣.

 

But I think this hand is the exception. Bidding 2♠ now shows the hand well. Partner might have prefered 2♦ with Eagles' hand but he can certainly be 1-3 in the majors and in that case we probably prefer playing 2♠ to something at the 3-level.

[Jinksy]

What's the chance they were making 1N?

 

I'd prefer aggressively Xing weak NTs on strongish dist hands with good lead choices like this (although I'm not sure if I then prefer AS or QH - prob the former). That might save me this problem - if they retreat to Cs, I'll pull to Ss, if they end up in a red suit I'll give my P a chance to pass a takeout X then pull Ds to Ss (or raise his Hs). Now at the cost of a minor overbid I've given P more info about both my hand and theirs.

 

Having started with Landy, I agree with Helene on 2S.

[WellSpyder]

What bids do you consider ? What bid do you make ?

I consider pass and 2♠. I pass, because I can't help feeling that if I'm not prepared to pass now then I was wrong to bid 2♣ on the previous round.

[mr1303]

I consider 2S as a forward going move. I don't consider pass - I have too much for that.

[Cyberyeti]

As you may have guessed, 2♥ was slow. It was perpetrated by the married pair of LOLs we were playing. At the time I didn't wheel the man in as I felt the hand should do something, not sure whether I should have.

 

Partner certainly had her hesitation (K, xxxx, KQx, AQ109x).

 

We lost 10 on the board as we were teamed with a scratch partnership not playing any methods. One player overcalled 2♠ having previously done so with not very much, and his partner didn't feel like moving on what looked like a misfit.

 

Doubling 1N leads to at least 500 and possibly 800 depending on where they go.

[Jinksy]

Doubling 1N leads to at least 500 and possibly 800 depending on where they go.

 

Do you have their hands?

 

On my hand at these colours whether I'm playing penalty or takeout Xes, I'm never leaving them in 2Cx.

[kuhchung]

pass, I'm r/w, I should be expected to hold something like this

[quiddity]

2♠

[mfa1010]

I find it obvious to bid 2♠ now. 6-4 and extras, exactly what I have. If anything I think I'm stronger than I might have been.

 

Surprised by the passers, I would have thought that 2♠ was clear enough even with a hesitation from partner.

 

With opps nv vs vul, I prefer the Landy route over Xing.

[mfa1010]

As you may have guessed, 2♥ was slow. It was perpetrated by the married pair of LOLs we were playing. At the time I didn't wheel the man in as I felt the hand should do something, not sure whether I should have.

 

I would not, certainly not against weakish opponents.

[gszes]

2s

 

super easy call especially since my spades are of sufficient quality to play

 

if p wished to pass with a poor hand. Letting p know where at least 10 of our

 

cards are will allow us to reach many hard to bid games with very little risk.

 

 

 

[Cyberyeti]

As you may have guessed, 2♥ was slow. It was perpetrated by the married pair of LOLs we were playing. At the time I didn't wheel the man in as I felt the hand should do something, not sure whether I should have.

 

 

I would not, certainly not against weakish opponents.

 

The only thing that tempted me to call the director was that the auction concluded 4♥-P-P-P

 

I think there's a case for saying that the other hand having shown a 3 count and possessing 14 might take things further. Not playing RKC, there's a chance they bid 6 off the trump AK.

 

For Jinksy the 1N opener held J9, AKx, Jxxxx, Kxx, his partner xxxx, xx, xxx, Jxxx.

[mfa1010]

Both 2♥ and 4♥ are pretty silly calls. I rarely call the director on LOLs unless I think it is quite obvious that they should have known better even being LOLs.

[mycroft]

I don't find there's much extras. It's a *really nice* 13, but if it went 1♠-2♠, am I doing anything? Maybe yes, maybe no. If it went 1♠-1NT Forcing - am I bidding only 2♥? Don't we sort of expect that kind of hand from partner, most of the time (support for one of my suits, 6-8ish, hope it's not a misfit)? Over a weak NT, I want an openerish to overcall, and maybe this hand without the ♦A is a minimum, but only because of the 6=4 and the chunky suits.

 

Having said that - knowing that we're willing to look for game when partner overcalls - after I tank trying to figure out what to bid with advancer's hand, *4*♥ is coming out. Partner has to have a play. 2♥, even tank-for-invitational-values 2♥ (if legal) is pusillanimous. So I guess their minimum is much lower than mine for the Landy call.

 

(I don't know their runout methods, but if you double with this hand, we'll play 2♦X for what looks like 5 tricks. 6 if the defence is not careful. 4 if declarer isn't careful).

[mfa1010]

Landy is a very desireable bid. Getting in there competing to 2M over their 1N with an unbalanced hand is a big winner. We also have the 2♦ response to help us find the right strain. 2♣ should be bid aggressively.

[Cyberyeti]

Both 2♥ and 4♥ are pretty silly calls. I rarely call the director on LOLs unless I think it is quite obvious that they should have known better even being LOLs.

 

I thought the 4♥ bid got close to that in this case.

[mfa1010]

I thought the 4♥ bid got close to that in this case.

Well yes, 4♥ is no beauty, but I would have bid on myself (2♠) after which partner surely should bid game, so I would not call the director and argue that the player should have passed 2♥ or something. And I would never call the director just to educate on a weak opponent.

[gnasher]

2♠ is clearcut because this type of hand rarely plays well in a 4-3 fit opposite moderate values. When you bid 2♣, it should be with the intention of bidding 2♠. If you think the hand is only worth one bid, it should be a direct 2♠.

[Cyberyeti]

Well yes, 4♥ is no beauty, but I would have bid on myself (2♠) after which partner surely should bid game, so I would not call the director and argue that the player should have passed 2♥ or something. And I would never call the director just to educate on a weak opponent.

 

This was pretty much my thought process.

[Jinksy]

(I don't know their runout methods, but if you double with this hand, we'll play 2♦X for what looks like 5 tricks. 6 if the defence is not careful. 4 if declarer isn't careful).

 

Far from clear what happens in any method IMO. If they're playing natural retreats (or exit xfers), responder might pass or pull in desperation, probably to 2C (although 2S might be better for the higher risk of them Xing you into game - jackpot if the defence can find the X here). If 2C, then the doubler probably shouldn't be able to allow a penalty X (or penalty) pass on a hand like this*, or he'll be losing out on several more moderate trump splits where Xing is the best action, so we'll have to 'rescue' them, ending up in one game or another.

 

Alternatively he might pass, allowing opener to bid 2D - though opener with a poor long suit and honours in the short ones might pass, hoping his P has a scattering of values. Again, jackpot for the defence - esp if they find a better lead than mine.

 

Or a third possibility, responder might just try 2C planning to pull to 2S if it gets Xed, which one way or another will get pulled to 2S before it reaches him, and the doublers will end in game.

 

If they're playing some sort of forced XX system, then responder can prob show Cs and (Hs or Ss), so opener will prob leave him in 2C, and again the doubler will have to pull.

 

If they're playing a non-forcing pass then they probably don't have a two-suiter offer that includes Cs, so responder will have to either pass or treat his hand as a single-suiter, in which case see above.

 

* But possibly the vulnerabilty should mean that a penalty X/pass is only made in extreme cases, but I'm not sure whether that means sitting the X/making a 'takeout' X should have some values in the suit instead. If you have the former understanding and can penalise 2C, it's hard to know if opener should pull to 2D. He's likely to have a 5-2 fit, but it's hardly the stuff dreams are made of. If he does, then a penalty pass of opener's 2D surely looks more likely since both defenders can envisage at least one more trump in their P's hand.