mr1303 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sj73hakqt72d84c72&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1np3n]133|200[/hv] What say you here? 1NT was 12-14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I will try double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 unless I have agreed with p that double asks for some non-heart lead, I will double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 dbl should win unless pard has a heart void or declarer has Jxxx (and even then sometimes we will be fine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sj73hakqt72d84c72&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1np3n]133|200[/hv] What say you here? 1NT was 12-14. I pass. The opponents could easily have 9 or 10 tricks off the top. Yes, my hearts are very nice, but what are the odds that partner will open lead one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I pass. The opponents could easily have 9 or 10 tricks off the top. Yes, my hearts are very nice, but what are the odds that partner will open lead one? a helluva lot better if you dbl to tell him to lead his short major :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 a helluva lot better if you dbl to tell him to lead his short worst major :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sj73hakqt72d84c72&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1np3n]133|200|What say you here? 1NT was 12-14.[/hv] Agree with majority: Double (Lead a bad suit) = 10, Pass = 8, 4♥ = 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Alas partner didn't have any hearts to lead, and declarer has 9 top tricks in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Genii all around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Well if that's the case, opponents have 4-3 5-2 6-1 hearts and they did not use stayman, did not use transfer. And those who predicted this, saved themselves from letting them make a doubled 3 NT. Of course not using stayman or xfer does not warranth pd to hold a card in heart suit, but the odds are very slim. I am with those who doubled, unless you have an agreement that says DBL asks for spade lead, instead of asking for your worst major which i think is pretty std. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 LHO was 3334, RHO was 3433, and decided not to use Stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I would like PASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 LHO was 3334, RHO was 3433, and decided not to use Stayman. This is very normal, and i expect them to hold 4-3 even 5-2 hearts now and then. But i won't pass trying to guard against this at the table http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Think about this way; You hold a suit of AKQT72. What are the odds of opponents holding the rest of the 7 hearts ? You are not done yet, you have to also take out the 7-0 and 6-1 splits due to bidding. Not done yet, you have to also give a value or a number to the holdings that they would stayman or xfer and take out that too. ( i am not saying only 3433 hands would skip stayman, i am aware we all also bid 3 NT with 3442 kinda hands too now and then) By passing you are guarding against what ever is left to you. On the other hand, i have to admit, when pd has heart, it does not mean double will always win. Pd may not be able to read which major suit to lead.But considering that they did not use stayman or xfer, most of the time pd will lead spades. Imho dbl is still the big time winner, obviously not this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Out of interest, since leading a major is something of a normal lead in the auction 1NT - 3NT, is there an argument for having the Lightner Double here ask for a minor rather than the traditional major? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I've been wondering the same. One counterargument whose strength I'm thoroughly uncertain of is that when you get the lead right on such hands they often go two or three down, so the penalty value of the double is quite high. If you only get to use it when you need a minor suit led, you'll be trading quite a few 300s and 500s for 100s and 200s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Out of interest, since leading a major longer/stronger major is something of a normal lead in the auction 1NT - 3NT, ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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