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[MrAce]

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Teams, 1♦ was std 2/1, 1♠ showed 5+, expert opponents and WC pd.

[ggwhiz]

Double, card showing and trusting that partner will not be leaving it in due to my heart holding.

 

That way I can hear about doubleton spade support (and raise to 3♠) or get to 3♦ in a manner that invites without hanging or other things I am not entirely uncomfortable with.

 

Mind you if partner passes the double they have a stiff spade and if I'm east they may have 3 hearts too. :P

[CSGibson]

double looks right, agree with reasoning laid out by the previous poster. I don't hate 2♠ or 3♦ either, but they don't really do justice to my hand, so I think of those as lesser choices, approximately equal in value. If partner leaves in the double, at least we have 2 aces and a singleton.

[wank]

Yes double. Hand is way too good for 3d or 2s. Not sure why people are worried about it being passed out.

[Hanoi5]

I'd double. Hopefully partner will support with two cards... What to do over 3♣ is the interesting question...

[Endymion77]

Double, and of course partner will support with a doubleton honor as he didn't bid over 2♥. If he bids 3♣, 3♦ should be invitational. If he bids 3♦, I would raise to 4♦.

[gszes]

If this were MP I would strongly consider passing and hoping to get +200 in 2h but at IMPS

 

it is just too great a risk missing a vul game for a paltry 2-3 imps. Once that decision is made

 

x

 

seems to be the best of all worlds since it leaves us well positioned for anything p bids next

 

and ecstatic if by some chance p passes (very unlikely unless playing ggwhiz:).

 

 

 

[kenrexford]

Recurring problem that is much easier with intermediate js (8-11).

[the hog]

X is ok. 2S isreasonable as well.

[CSGibson]

Not sure why people are worried about it being passed out.

 

I don't think anyone's worried; I think they are salivating if partner thinks its right to defend

[akhare]

X seems to the best choice; if playing with a random pard, 2♠ is a reasonable alternative.

[MrAce]

Are you all assuming that we play wjs, to suggest that 2♠ is reasonable at team game ? FYI, wjs was not available.

 

I thought 2♠ would be a bizzarre bid, regardless of it is the winning bid or not.....I mean we have a 1♠ opener if you are an aggressive player. If you don't like 1♠ opening, which is perfectly normal not to open, we can say "we have close to 1♠ opening" In either case, 2 ♠ would be a gross underbid of the hand as responder at teams, don't you think ?

[the hog]

Are you all assuming that we play wjs, to suggest that 2♠ is reasonable at team game ? FYI, wjs was not available.

 

I thought 2♠ would be a bizzarre bid, regardless of it is the winning bid or not.....I mean we have a 1♠ opener if you are an aggressive player. If you don't like 1♠ opening, which is perfectly normal not to open, we can say "we have close to 1♠ opening" In either case, 2 ♠ would be a gross underbid of the hand as responder at teams, don't you think ?

 

I don't think 2S is bizarre at all. 2S certainly suggests reasonable values. I would think the bid suggested by one poster above as 2S Intermediate, would be bizarre. This is not close to an intermediate 2S bid in terms of spade quality.

A 2S fit jump immediately would have been a nice bid.

[MrAce]

I don't think 2S is bizarre at all. 2S certainly suggests reasonable values. I would think the bid suggested by one poster above as 2S Intermediate, would be bizarre. This is not close to an intermediate 2S bid in terms of spade quality.

A 2S fit jump immediately would have been a nice bid.

 

 

LOL

[MrAce]

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This was what pd had, open room played part score in spades after South made a "reasonable" 2♠ bid, other table bid and made 6♦ (idk their auction at the other table) Which was -15 imps

[gnasher]

I think the North hand should bid 3♦ over 2♥. A takeout double would be a good choice too, but I assume you were unelightenedly playing support doubles.

[MrAce]

I think the North hand should bid 3♦ over 2♥. A takeout double would be a good choice too, but I assume you were unelightenedly playing support doubles.

 

Yes dbl would be 3 card spades, even though 1♠ showed 5+, it's of course debatable which is better. N believed 3♦ would be better hand than this, probably because he was playing with a conservative pd and he would expect much more than this. See... being extremely conservative can hit you in different ways. Imo S not only underbid his hand grossly by 2♠ but also affected his pd. But this is just a guess, i may be wrong. They didn't comment on the bidding afterwards.

 

Btw, what do you think of 2♠ Andy ? By South over 2♥ and not playing wjs.

[jogs]

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This was what pd had, open room played part score in spades after South made a "reasonable" 2♠ bid, other table bid and made 6♦ (idk their auction at the other table) Which was -15 imps

Hands fit perfectly.

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Is there a game with these hands?

[mikeh]

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This was what pd had, open room played part score in spades after South made a "reasonable" 2♠ bid, other table bid and made 6♦ (idk their auction at the other table) Which was -15 imps

I have no idea, and I suspect you don't, either, about how NS would or even could plausibly reach 6♦ if S were to reopen with your suggested double.

 

As it happens, I think the N hand has a borderline direct 3♦ on the basis of the K10 of spades and the stiff heart both being upgradable values. I suspect many, including Andy, would see 3♦ as 'clear' rather than borderline, but I am a conservative bidder by inclination.

 

Over 3♦, the South hand grows up significantly. The stiff club and the 2 Aces are huge, and it is fairly easy to see decent minimums on which slam is excellent. Exactly how the auction proceeds is not clear, but I can see starting with an ambiguous cue of 3♥, marking time, and following N's 3♠ with 4♦ and we may be on our way.

 

So if the notion is 'assign the responsibility' for missing slam: it is North all the way as far as I can see.

 

I don't even know that starting with a double, in the OP situation, necessarily even gets us to game. N bids what? 2♠? The same call he'd make on Qx xx AJ10xxx KQx?

 

Now, I happen to think that S should take another call and that N will, on the actual hand, bid game, but I think it an error to focus the discussion of this hand on S.

[ggwhiz]

After the double of 2♥ I expect it to go

 

2♠ - 3♠ and on a good day

4♦ - 4♥

 

and on a really good day 6♦ is possible but missing game is definitely not on decent fitting hands.

 

I guess south could be inspired enough to bid 5♦ over a 4♠ continuation (it looks like a better game than 4♠ over jogs ill fitting construction) and get raised here but I am seldom (as in never?) that sharp.

 

With the south hand I only had game ambitions and don't see a problem with focusing them on spades AFTER finding out whether partner has 2 of them at the 2 level which you can only discern by starting with a double....and I'm only inviting after that so 6♦ is only remotely in play.

[gnasher]

Btw, what do you think of 2♠ Andy ? By South over 2♥ and not playing wjs.

It wouldn't be my choice. Double just looks obvious, because it keeps diamonds in the picture and describes our strength better. We know that partner doesn't have enough to leap in clubs.

[Cascade]

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This was what pd had, open room played part score in spades after South made a "reasonable" 2♠ bid, other table bid and made 6♦ (idk their auction at the other table) Which was -15 imps

 

Obviously getting to 6♦ is a huge result.

 

North here though doesn't have a pass over 2♥ and doesn't have a pass over 2♠.

[Cascade]

I have no idea, and I suspect you don't, either, about how NS would or even could plausibly reach 6♦ if S were to reopen with your suggested double.

 

I think there is a fighting chance that they can get to slam over 2♠ by south.

 

If this north hand is consistent with a pass then I think a subsequent 3♦ by south might show this great fit - otherwise pass 2♠. Now south with ♦ Qxx can imagine a likely ♦ AK and ♠K opposite and just about bid 6♦ on the fly - but would certainly become extremely optimistic.

[benlessard]

I play that 2S here show 9-11 since with 5-8 I would have bid 2H(transfers) or 2S before

 

but here X is much better. Partner will often have a stiff S here and since my spades are Ace empty playing in D rate to be a lot better.

 

KQJxxx

Axx

x

xxx

 

Is the perfect 2S call for me.

[mfa1010]

I agree that 2♠ was a bad call, he should double. Even if 2♠ now shows invitational values (as I play it). In a dream world N makes a choice of game cuebid after the double while showing short hearts and S leaps to the diamond slam. This might be easier on paper though. :rolleyes:

 

An immediate 2♠ would not have been WJS? What would it have been then, please not a strong jump shift in competition. :( NS might deserve their bad result just for playing such a silly method... :)