lycier Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 [hv=sn=|lin=pn|S,W,N,E|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S79KH4569TD37C568%2CS5H37JKD49KACJQKA%2CS236QH28D568TJC7T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2019%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7C]499|350[/hv] 4441 with 21hcp,maybe it is very hard to describe rightly,I have no idea.now how to bid up to slam reasonablly?thank you very much.4441牌型21hcp，也许很难正确描述，现在我是没辙呀，请问您如何合理地叫上满贯呢？实战中，还是有一些人凭借这良好的牌感，定约6nt的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 2d逆叫后封到3n没什么道理，c套已经配合了，总是应该试探满贯的； 4441强牌，出现的机率还是很小的，也是hardy2/1体系有缺陷的地方。这幅我会选择开1d，有机会先逆叫2h，再叫2次c，尽可能的描述自己1444的强牌。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 这是我在BBO中高级论坛讨论的链接，大家可以看看各国专家们的意见，感觉老外不错。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 老外的论坛我看不懂，但我会根据牌力叫到6NT，1C-1S-2D-3NT（哈代体系12-15），21+12=33小满还是可以摸得；不过也可以1C-1S-2D-3C（逼叫），再看后面的发展。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 老外多数能叫上7♣定约，咱们还是有很多缺点。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbxkh Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 果子狸好办法，但具体俺也不熟练， Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_cat Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 2/1： 1C 1S2D 2H（C已配合，等待）3H（4441） 4C（同意C，试贯）4D 4H4NT…… 7C不敢说，至少6C能叫到 开叫人逆叫，应叫人拿高花两A、DQ和4张C支持都不想满贯，未免太保守了 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 flying_cat：您好，欢迎您来到华人论坛讨论。其实在2♦逆叫后，应叫人直接加叫3♣=9P+，4张以上支持了。如此，满贯在望：开叫人会再叫4C做低花木问叫。而你如果再叫2♥，开叫人可以直接加叫3♥和4♥，很麻烦了。 [hv=d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p1cp1sp2dp3cp3d(cuebid)p3h(cuebid)p3s(cuebid)p3np4c(低花木)p4s(143022)p5n(关键张齐备，还有额外的牌力吗？)p7c(有啊，好几枚Q啊)ppp]499|350[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdgh001 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 老外多数能叫上7♣定约，咱们还是有很多缺点。叫上7是不简单，不看牌能叫到，太难了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 叫上7是不简单，不看牌能叫到，太难了。 你好！ 热烈欢迎hdgh001来到华人论坛，有什么需要帮忙的，请说，一定尽力。再次感谢。 lycier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonmans Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 个人观点，首先，这牌没叫到满贯，其实跟4441牌型21点，关系不大，东持1个A，4张♣，且♦上有Q的情况下，对同伴的逆叫竟然没有满贯想法，有点不可思议。方块上不仅有大牌，且有将吃价值，差不多已经可以数到11个赢墩了。此外，不知道用不用英格伯曼，如果用的话，开叫人可以知道应叫人有点牌力，4NT邀请就必须了。当然，这是下策，主要问题出在东家。4441是比较难叫，我个人不喜欢有单张的情况下开叫NT，同伴一个转移叫，把你扔在51配的高花上，并且还没有大牌，真是欲哭无泪。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgm Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Moscito: 1♣......... 15+ any......1♦... FG any1♥......... 18+ any......2♣... 6+♠ 1-suiter / (54)+ ♠+♣2♦......... Relay for shape......3♦... 52243♥......... Relay for QP. A = 3, K = 2, Q = 1......4♣... 8QP (+1 = Base = 6QP, +3 = Base+2 = 8QP) W is missing ♠AKQ ♥AQ ♦Q a total of 11 QP. E shows 8 QP.That means at this point W know that they are missing 3 QP only, which could be 1A, 1K1Q or 3Qs. 4♦......... Relay, initiate DCB with K parity......4NT... Even K, 1/2 Hs, 0 ♣ H. Now know that E is missing ♠K and 1Q. If that is ♠Q there is grand. 5♣......... Relay, DCB......5♦... 1 ♠ H E confirm 1 ♠ Honor which has to be ♠A.So W know that E holds ♠Axxxx ♥AQ ♦Qx ♣xxxxBut there is no room to investigate the presence of ♦J so can only signoff in 7♣ 7♣......... Signoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Moscito 看了一下，感觉非常喜欢，很优秀的一个体系，很适合固定pd间使用； 应该说是现代改良版jq里面的一个非常好的选择吧，可惜国内使用者太少，想找个pd一起练习是非常困难的事； 不管如何，喜欢jq又喜欢复杂体系的朋友值得一试。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Moscito 看了一下，感觉非常喜欢，很优秀的一个体系，很适合固定pd间使用； 应该说是现代改良版jq里面的一个非常好的选择吧，可惜国内使用者太少，想找个pd一起练习是非常困难的事； 不管如何，喜欢jq又喜欢复杂体系的朋友值得一试。确实，非常复杂，但叫的非常准确。感觉我初学牌时的篮梅花叫牌法也有这个特征，只不过没有这么细致。 另外，我记得好象zyp163（风扬）在学习这个体系，你有兴趣可以与他联系，试试。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 好一个香港桥牌专家bgm ！长期以来，你以积极的心态支持我们华人论坛。 好一个香港桥牌专家bgm ！你的牌技感染鼓舞着大陆人。 好一个香港桥牌专家bgm ！你不居门户，思想清明，慧光闪烁。 好一个香港桥牌专家bgm ！如有可能，你将是我们China BBO门户中中国桥牌新闻栏目第一推介的中国桥牌专家！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 欢迎大家提供新闻线索，弘扬华人文化，扬我民族之气，促进与世界各国牌手的广泛交流，大家说好不好呀？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgm Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 lycier 過譽了 我不是甚麼專家，也只是一位 Moscito 的初學者而已。 純粹為了測試體系和分享。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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