another simple bidding question

[kgr]

The hands are only an illustration of my question. I don't remember the correct hands.

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Note: We tend to DBL + bid new suit with a little less then what is used in America.

DBL of South (me) is take-out. You agree with this DBL?

 

My partner (North) thought that 2♥ showed a strong hand (DBL+new suit).

I disagreed because I thought that I showed support for at least 2 suits with my DBL. And I think that my partner should have bid 3♥ (because he knows that I have some points and some support).

[mikeh]

The hands are only an illustration of my question. I don't remember the correct hands.

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Note: We tend to DBL + bid new suit with a little less then what is used in America.

DBL of South (me) is take-out. You agree with this DBL?

 

My partner (North) thought that 2♥ showed a strong hand (DBL+new suit).

I disagreed because I thought that I showed support for at least 2 suits with my DBL. And I think that my partner should have bid 3♥ (because he knows that I have some points and some support).

As a Canadian, and thus under the influence of Kokish, I would never double with N, but you know that and it isn't germane.

 

Your partner is full of it. S announced a desire to compete to the 2-level and implied adequate support to play one or both majors at that level opposite a minimum hand. Therefore N's 2♥ was just showing 4 hearts, and presumably approval of partner pulling to 2♠ were he to be, for example, 4=3=2=4.

 

Put another way: when a player makes a takeout double and partner makes a non-jump and non-cue simple suit advance of the double, he is showing a minimum hand in context.

 

I recognize that the hands are only approximate, but note that on the layout given game is far from cold. It needs the club K in the weaker hand, and the 1N bid doesn't mean much. Give him something like KQx Jxx Kxx xxxx and the auction would be the same as shown.

[MrAce]

Note: We tend to DBL + bid new suit with a little less then what is used in America. entire world

DBL of South (me) is take-out. You agree with this DBL?

 

 

I disagree strongly with both doubles. And this has nothing to do with American style.

[kgr]

Thank you for the answer. (I recognize the name of 'mikeh' as a good player that gives well thought answers, so I'm always looking forward to an answer of you)

...Therefore N's 2♥ was just showing 4 hearts, and presumably approval of partner pulling to 2♠ were he to be, for example, 4=3=2=4. ...

This is the 'difficult' part for me.

(My first DBL was a try to find the 4-4 fit. It was MPs, at IMP's I would need a bit more.).

Do you think that North can bid 2H with 3=4=2=4; or should he always need 4=4 majors or maybe 3=4=1=5. Maybe with 3=4=2=4 North should pass and hope for another DBL of S when South has 4=4 majors.

[kgr]

I disagree strongly with both doubles. And this has nothing to do with American style.

Do you also disagree strongly with the 2nd DBL non-vul at MP's? And do you play it as TO or penalty?

[MrAce]

Do you also disagree strongly with the 2nd DBL non-vul at MP's? And do you play it as TO or penalty?

 

Yes.

 

I play it showing values 9+ and mostly balanced hands.

 

 

[fromageGB]

Do you think that North can bid 2H with 3=4=2=4

Yes. Your X asks him to bid a major. I don't think your double shows any great strength, so if partner makes a takeout X on 3424 12 count, what else can he say? Pass is not good. Would you you really double again, and what if East raised to 3♦?

[lowerline]

I would have bid 1♥ with the North hand (it's only 15hcp and ♣QJ isn't that great).

I think I prefer the double to be penalty here iso takeout. But if takeout is the agreement North should have bid 3♥ to show his hand.

 

Steven

[helene_t]

I think South's double should be penalties but of course, given the hand he has, it is nice to have agreed it as t/o :) But seriously, what is the difference between double and 2♦ here?

 

When both partners have shown a take-out double of diamonds you are probably never going to let them play 2♦ so I suppose that without a preference for a particular suit, North can just make a forcing pass. Maybe 2♥ shows a 4513 11-count or so if you would double rather than bidding 2♥ with that.

[kgr]

The hands were the actual hands.

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[Zelandakh]

Well done for stopping in 2♥ then - I do not think I could have stayed so low here.

[SteveMoe]

Agreeing MrAce.

North has a 1♥ overcall.

South has a pass when partner doubles and RHO bids 1N. A double requires 9 HCP and shows either neither or both 4-card majors. With one 4-card major and 8+ HCP it's time to bid it. With less pass.

Opposite the putative 1♥ overcall, South does have a single raise.

This road lead to 2♥ and no doubt.