Tollemache BIT ?

[barmar]

I don't see what the problem is as far as South is concerned. East's "twitch" is AI to South but UI to West. South can do anything that he likes (at his own peril, of course). This may place pressure on West, but it, in and of itself, does not put West in an ethical dilemma. East's twitch is what puts West in an ethical dilemma. One should not put South under any scrutiny for East's possible transmission of UI to West.

I felt that South took excessive advantage of what sounded like a very minor transgression to put West in a no-win situation.

 

If East had gone into the tank, I could understand it, but a twitch? This isn't poker, where players have to be careful to avoid the slightest tell.

[ArtK78]

I felt that South took excessive advantage of what sounded like a very minor transgression to put West in a no-win situation.

 

If East had gone into the tank, I could understand it, but a twitch? This isn't poker, where players have to be careful to avoid the slightest tell.

Whether the perceived twitch constitutes a BIT is for the TD to decide given all of the facts and circumstances. If it is determined that the twitch is not a BIT, then West is under no ethical restrictions. If the twitch is determined to constitute a BIT, then West is constrained. South is entitled to take advantage of the situation if he so chooses.

 

You may feel that South's attempt to take advantage of the situation is sleezy, for lack of a better term. Perhaps, but, as I stated in my prior post, South is not the one who created the problem.

 

By the way, one nice thing about poker is that it is each player for himself. He can give out information by "tells" or by "false tells" and there is nothing wrong with that. Other players can try to take advantage of perceived tells at their own risk. No one is going to get any redress for any UI, as there is no such thing.

 

Of course, in poker, there are ways of getting redress. Some of them involve physical violence.

[mycroft]

Well, that is why if you think there was a BIT, you agree it at the time, or call the TD to agree. If you don't - especially if you're pretty certain that after the fact, you're not going to be able to get agreement, even from your partner - that is your right, especially if you want to push them around; but you have to expect that getting the TD to rule BIT is going to be an uphill battle, even if it's an obvious hitch (that isn't a tank).

 

I know if there's one person who said "it was a slight twitch only if it were anything", one that said it was an obvious hitch, and two that didn't notice anything, it would be hard to convince me...