zasanya Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Game 5 25.....h5 Will Karlsen grind out one of his characteristic wins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted November 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Game 5 25.....h5 Will Karlsen grind out one of his characteristic wins?oops will the admin move this thread to watercooler? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 boom boom. Rooting for Carlsen cuz I got him laying 2:1. He is also great for chess, just grinds these drawn middle/endgames into wins like they're nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Mods please correct the thread title? Anand seemed to be quite confused at the press conference, saying that Rd4 was the decisive mistake and so on. Of course it's very complicated but it's a very unusual state he is in, not one I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Mods please correct the thread title? Anand seemed to be quite confused at the press conference, saying that Rd4 was the decisive mistake and so on. Of course it's very complicated but it's a very unusual state he is in, not one I've seen.I'm not a chess player or regular viewer, but I was amazed that they were taken straight from the board into the press conference. Is that normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 It must be hard psychologically to just get pwned in a position like that. Not like it's some amazing tactical combination in a super sharp position or some sick novelty/preparation, you just get slowly outplayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I'm not a chess player or regular viewer, but I was amazed that they were taken straight from the board into the press conference. Is that normal? Yup. It's pretty lol to watch the pressers after a decisive result or even a draw that was a blown win at chess tourneys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Anyone stay up watching this? Magnus is magnusing... Anand played really interesting novelty causing a massive Carlsen tank but inexplicably he started playing defensively and allowed him to regroup...now it is a drawish middle/endgame with Carlsen having a slight edge, feels like a win imo :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I agree mostly but there's not even a slight edge for Carlsen I think (yet)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Better pawn structure = the kind of edge that MC routinely converts imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I didn't realise the e-pawns would get isolated, but still it's very hard to imagine him making any progress with the heavy pieces on... I know he's Magnus but mostly he does his magic in rook and minor piece endgames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 OK I should clearly stop posting in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 OK I should clearly stop posting in this thread.Just shows what pressure does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 OK I should clearly stop posting in this thread. All the GMs thought it was def a draw so don't feel too bad :P The thing about Carlsen is he plays on forever and makes consistently the strongest practical moves, I would guess he is even better than an engine in these endgames in terms of finding practical winning chances. Carlsen is like 100 points higher rated than Anand. His strength is endgames and it's probably one of Anands weaknesses. On top of that, Carlsen is much younger and probably has far more stamina. It would not be surprising to me if Carlsen was like 160 points stronger in these type of positions towards the end of the game, and the way he plays Anand must go on and on finding the one or two good moves/plans forever. Eventually he is bound to make one or two small errors against someone who understands the position so much better than him, is less tired than him, and is setting traps all over, and then voila it is all over. Objectively no doubt it was drawn but it is just the kind of position Carlsen always seems to win with that formula. It is sick to watch, too bad I always fall asleep for the endgame, 3:30 AM start time for CST in USA is brutal haha. Betting on Carlsen looking like it was free money though. Will Anand retire after this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 OK I should clearly stop posting in this thread. That's up to you, but please feel free to post as much as you like in this one: http://www.chessgame...ss.pl?tid=81142 (It means having to register for the site but that is free and takes seconds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I already have an account there but I don't post. I prefer to troll around on chessbomb, those guys just always crack me up :) Of course Carlsen can create something out of nothing but Anand was quite awful today. There was no reason to play Qg3 and then messed up once or twice in the rook endgame too. I know Carlsen is unparalleled in the endgame nowadays but 2+2 vs 2+3 with the more active rook should be an autodraw by him. I mean Anand defended so tenaciously in game 4, it's just a huge difference between his performance between that game and this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted November 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Game 7 drawn . Surprisingly Carlsen did not continue in his favourite style :rolleyes: . I mean 5 pawns on the board 2 pieces too. If it had been the game 1 i am sure he would have played on for 100 moves! Or perhaps he does that only in rook and pawn endings. With a huge lead no risks seems to be the idea. All over bar the shouting unless in the remaining games Anand somehow manages to exchange rooks and keep all other pieces on the board. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted November 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Carlsen opens ....e4 and anand allows ruy lopez and BERLIN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Well, Carlsen did beat Anand in the "other" Rossolimo or Moscow variation against the Sicilian last year. Still I really thought Anand would go c5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Awesome opening! I play the f3 Nimzo often with white and there's always a big mess on the board (and usually I lose). It's fascinating to see it played by people who actually know what they're doing! People who maybe don't follow chess so often should check out Anand-Wang Hao 2011: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1604385 with the same variation and an amazing positional piece sacrifice by Vishy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 OMG - what a turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 OMG - what a turnaround. Followed the game, what a final position to all but turn out the lights. Looks like Anand miscalculated a combo. Carlsen wins the crown with one draw in the next three games, and once he does, he will hold on to it for a long, long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Well, I'm a Carlsen fan but Kramnik has given him serious headaches in the Candidates. Anand will never play a world championship match again unless they revert to the KO system, but Kramnik and Aronian can both give Carlsen a run for his money and who knows, maybe Karjakin a few years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Hope to make more free $ betting on him lol. Also, you low on Caruana gwnn? I like his chances better than Karjakin, he's def worth a mention at least. Odds that Anand retires now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I was never impressed by Caruana. He has obviously a very big rating but his wins are not special. Obviously a great player and a very nice guy in general, though, and I would like to see him succeed. The only person from the 2700+ club I wouldn't like to be world champion right now is Anish Giri, but that doesn't seem like a serious possibility right now. I think Anand will still play in the Candidates 2014 and then who knows. I am down to a bet though if you are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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