'tweener

[MickyB]

void

AKJxxx

Axxx

KQx

 

1H:1S

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[nige1]

Unfav IMPs ♠ void ♥ A K J x x x ♦ A x x x ♣ K Q x

1♥ - 1♠ -

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IMO 2♦ = 10, 3♥ = 7, 2♥ = 6, 3♦ = 5

[mcphee]

I sure like this hand, but I am content to make a soft re-bid of 2H and hope I survive. Partners do not always have 3H when they bid 1S with minimum hands that would be content to raise H rather than bid 1S. A mini facing this may not produce game with only 2 trumps.

[MrAce]

Textbook 2♦ to me. I would not argue with 3♦ voters.

 

I don't really understand 2♥. This is not the hand for it. This looks like 3♦ more than 2♥ to me. Hell i would think even 3♥ looks like an underbid.

[aguahombre]

Textbook 2♦ to me. I would not argue with 3♦ voters.

 

I don't really understand 2♥. This is not the hand for it. This looks like 3♦ more than 2♥ to me. Hell i would think even 3♥ looks like an underbid.

2♦ looks like the right choice, as opposed to 3♥. Dunno about textbooks on the subject of judgement, but it seems partner's 1♠ response should put a damper on any ideas of a jump shift to force game. We need and have the room to seek the correct strain and show intermediate strength. 2D is wide-ranging, and partner will not be passing it with two hearts and only 3 diamonds. With 4-card diamond support, if partner passes we won't be missing anything except maybe a heart partial opposite 2-4 in the reds; she will stretch to raise.

[gwnn]

This is the hand where many people would bid 2D even on 3 cards right? So we might as well do it now when we have four.

[Jinksy]

3H. If I bid 2D I'm planning to pass a 2S rebid, but if P rebids 2S on a poor S suit with no choice, such as QTxxxx, Q, xxx, Jxx, we might manage to go off in 2S when 3H was making. Make his Cs A(xx) and we're not finding game if I don't show values the first time around.

 

If his values are where he's bid, then AS plus JC gets me 8 likely tricks opposite a stiff H, and I'd be unlucky not to have a play for a 9th.

 

If he shows up with KJxxxx Ss, a misfit and nothing outside, I introduce him to the pass card.

 

NV I am content with 2D.

[cherdano]

This is the hand where many people would bid 2D even on 3 cards right? So we might as well do it now when we have four.

You mean, people who think AKJxxx is a bad suit? But yes, I would definitely bid 2♦ here.

And I agree with aquahombre that forcing to game is an overbid after partner bid our void.

[aguahombre]

This is the hand where many people would bid 2D even on 3 cards right? So we might as well do it now when we have four.

Why would they do that? French Gazzilli?

[gwnn]

Why would they do that? French Gazzilli?

Hands where they don't want to bid 2NT, 2H, or 3H (the latter indeed as cherdano says due to insufficient suit quality). I am not one of those people so I'm not really the person to ask. I think there are also some BW experts who do it, though.

[the hog]

Hands where they don't want to bid 2NT, 2H, or 3H (the latter indeed as cherdano says due to insufficient suit quality). I am not one of those people so I'm not really the person to ask. I think there are also some BW experts who do it, though.

 

I doubt theer is any expert who does this, maybe a BBO eggspurt.

Anyway this is a 2D bid for me as well.

[ggwhiz]

2♦ is so clear cut if the x's are really x's I don't consider this a tweener but I like 3♦ a LOT more than I like 2♥.

[MrAce]

1♠ means he has 4+ spades. Does not mean " i have all my hcps stuffed in spades"

 

But i never said i would bid 3♦. I said it is, even though an overbid, still better than gross underbid of 2♥.

 

I also agree AKJxxx is hell of a good suit to jump if one wants to bid 3♥. But to me this hand, if had only 3 diamonds, is MAX of a 3♥, nowhere close to 2♥.

[cherdano]

I agree that 3♦ is a much much better bid than 2♥.

[Finch]

2D looks normal and I don't think it is 'tween' anything. (We had a jolly amusing auction on this hand, but it certainly started with a 2D rebid)

[ewj]

yeh, 2d...could be wrong. 2h is a joke

[aguahombre]

2D looks normal and I don't think it is 'tween' anything. (We had a jolly amusing auction on this hand, but it certainly started with a 2D rebid)

It is "tween" something to me. It is "tween" a routine opening bid and a maximum which would force game after any response from partner. I thought OP used "tweener" in that context. Whether to rebid 2D or 3H is not a close decision, IMO --but the hand is still a "tweener".

[fromageGB]

A question for you experts : if 2♦ is forcing, what do you bid with a far weaker 12 count 2542/2551 hand? I can't imagine you bidding 2♦ non-forcing with this. (Just trying to understand ...)

[gwnn]

2♦ is not forcing.

[fromageGB]

Then responder with an 8 count is forced to reply, or you miss 3NT, so you end up at the 2NT or 3 level with no super fit on a combined 20 count. Come back Gazzilli, all is forgiven.

[Fluffy]

Then responder with an 8 count is forced to reply, or you miss 3NT, so you end up at the 2NT or 3 level with no super fit on a combined 20 count. Come back Gazzilli, all is forgiven.

 

Then responder with an 8 count is forced to reply, or you miss 3NT

[JLOGIC]

Then responder with an 8 count is forced to reply, or you miss 3NT, so you end up at the 2NT or 3 level with no super fit on a combined 20 count. Come back Gazzilli, all is forgiven.

 

The idea is if partner passes with an 8 count he has a stiff heart (else he would bid 2H). Opposite an 8 count with a stiff heart, game might not be good. Of course, we can sometimes miss a good game opposite a stiff heart when partner passes, but by jump shifting we will probably get to far more bad games. When partner has 5-9 and a stiff heart (and let's be honest partner might respond lighter than that when he has spades), and my options are to play game (via bidding 3D) or to play 2D (via bidding 2D), I would expect 2D to work far better. Add to that that many 9 counts and some 8 counts with a diamond fit will bid 3D over 2D, and 2D looks even better.

 

Of course you are right that the wide range of standard 2m bids causes inaccuracies, and playing strong club or gazilli helps this, but if you are playing standard you bid 2D with this hand.