Steer this auction in the right direction

[helene_t]

Yes but KQJxx is only three honors (no matter what my signature might suggest)

[Zelandakh]

I would certainly far prefer to have AJT9x over KQJTx in a side suit opposite a singleton when playing a grand slam. B-)

[the hog]

Interesting argument. I'll need to try it next time I'm playing rubber bridge...

 

Maybe you can swap Yeti AJT9 for AKQJ seeing as he thinks its the same. 100 honours anyone?

[Cyberyeti]

Maybe you can swap Yeti AJT9 for AKQJ seeing as he thinks its the same. 100 honours anyone?

 

Please actually read what I posted before posting stupidities like this.

[the hog]

Please actually read what I posted before posting stupidities like this.

 

Before you post inane responses, I suggest you read Richard's post.

[helene_t]

It is much more fun insulting each other than discussing bridge, isn't it? But that's what we have the Water Cooler for.

[Trinidad]

I would not have opened this hand. But assuming that 2♣ shows 6 clubs is just ... STOP. Helene is right.

 

I also think that those who condemn anybody for opening this hand 1 ♣ are ... STOP. Helene is still right.

 

The reason why I didn't reply earlier to this problem was not that I didn't have time (my usual reason). It was because I found it a difficult problem. Only politicians think that difficult problems are best solved by picking a possible solution and then yell loudly that it is the only sensible one.

 

Rik

[Cyberyeti]

OK, so there's no misunderstanding, this is what I believe:

 

I would always open this hand, I think it's worth just under its 11 high card points, but I don't have a problem with pass.

 

If I open 1♣ the only rebid playing weak NT is 2♣ and this in no way shows 6 playing Acol.

 

I would never open 1♦, vaguely modern Acol never does this unless you have a spectacularly poor club suit and are prepared to deny holding 5. There is more of a case for doing it if 1♦ shows 4 and 1♣ 2.

 

AJ109x is a fine club holding playing for 4 tricks opposite xx more often than not, so is worth around 6 points rather than 5.

[Trinidad]

OK, so there's no misunderstanding, this is what I believe:

 

I would always open this hand, I think it's worth just under its 11 high card points, but I don't have a problem with pass.

I feel about the same, but on the other side of the line: I would pass, but I don't have a problem with 1♣.

 

 

If I open 1♣ the only rebid playing weak NT is 2♣ and this in no way shows 6 playing Acol.

I would take it a step further: Even playing a strong NT, I would rebid 2♣. I don't like rebidding 1NT with a singleton in partner's suit.

 

 

I would never open 1♦, vaguely modern Acol never does this unless you have a spectacularly poor club suit and are prepared to deny holding 5. There is more of a case for doing it if 1♦ shows 4 and 1♣ 2.

I would open 1♦ with a good four card diamond suit and a poor five card club suit. This may lead to an occasional accident, but such is life. (My 1♦ opening promises 4, or 4=4=3=2; 1♣ can 4=4=2=3,4=3=3=3 and 3=4=3=3, but not 4-4 in the minors. With 1=4=4=4, I would bid 1♦-1♠; 2♣. That means that holding only 4 diamonds will not be a complete surprise to partner.)

 

 

AJ109x is a fine club holding playing for 4 tricks opposite xx more often than not, so is worth around 6 points rather than 5.

Of course, though technically the 9 is not an honor, the 10 and 9 have the same trick taking value as the jack. Any discussion about this is ... read Helene's post!

 

Rik

[Trinidad]

duplicate post

[Fluffy]

I don't see this one that hard really, it only requires responder to know that 5♣ is an option, then he will

 

suggest spades with 1♠

suggest hearts with 2♥ showing values on the way

suggest clubs with 3♣

and finally over 3NT he can either pass or suggest slam in NT with 4NT. Even suggesting clubs again with 4♣ works as partner will quickly reject more loudly with 4NT.

 

Bidding 3♥ instead of 3♣ doesnt't make any sense. 3♥ is even non forcing for me (5-5 invitational), but assuming it was it is missdescribing and more space consuming.

[the hog]

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I also think that those who condemn anybody for opening this hand 1 ♣ are ... STOP. Helene is still right.

 

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Rik

 

Rik, who condemned anybody for opening 1C? My post stated " he would certainly open with 1D to avoid a rebid problem". This is my opinion. If others want to open 1C om 4/5 ms, that is their problem, not mine. I continue to hope that they do it.

[hrothgar]

FWIW, I posted this hand as a poll on Bridgewinner's yesterday.

 

The thread is available at http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/acol-question/?cj=82460#c82460

 

Few quick observations.

 

70% of the respondents stated that they preferred to pass rather than make any kind of opening. (This was without including a statement that the pair plays a conservative opening style which I believe was mentioned at some point during the thread)

 

Of the 30% of the players who chose to open, a 1NT opening edges out 1D

 

7 out of 16 players chose to open 1N

6 out of 16 chose to open 1C and rebid 2C

3 out of 16 chose to open 1D and rebid 2C

[the hog]

FWIW, I posted this hand as a poll on Bridgewinner's yesterday.

 

The thread is available at http://bridgewinners...cj=82460#c82460

 

Few quick observations.

 

70% of the respondents stated that they preferred to pass rather than make any kind of opening. (This was without including a statement that the pair plays a conservative opening style which I believe was mentioned at some point during the thread)

 

Of the 30% of the players who chose to open, a 1NT opening edges out 1D

 

7 out of 16 players chose to open 1N

6 out of 16 chose to open 1C and rebid 2C

3 out of 16 chose to open 1D and rebid 2C

 

Well Pass is obvious unless playing LOBs, isn't it Richard? I lol at those who think this is an opening in a standard system.

[Trinidad]

Rik, who condemned anybody for opening 1C?

I lol at those who think this is an opening in a standard system.

This brings back

.

 

Rik

[the hog]

Firstly this post was made today after you posted your initial response. Are you prescient? Secondly how is lol condeming. Look up the dictionary definition. I do find those who open this hand worthy of mirth, not condemnation. You will note that i said i hope that they continue to do so.