DJNeill Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi all, The original NT range in CC Wei precision was 13-15 HCP, possibly because it would allow the simple rule of all 16+ HCP hands opening 1C. There is a trend in the West to open 1NT with 14-16 HCP in Precision. Here are a few reasons: 1. When 1NT is 13-15, NT ranges with 16 or more HCP must be stretched and are vulnerable to being lost in interference. One possible ladder is:1D-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151C-1D-1N = 16-192N = 20-21 Another is:1D-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151C-1D-1N = 16-182N = 19-20 or even:1D-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151C-1D-1N = 16-181C-1D-1H [H or BAL]-1S[forced]-1N = 19-212N = 22-23 In each case, the balanced hands that open 1C start at 16. The problem with stretching the 1C-containing NT range is that when the opponent's compete, opener has a wider range of NT's to cover. 1C-(1H)-X-(2H) and opener may have 16 balanced or 19 balanced, for example. Or opener may have an unbalanced hand. Opener is already at a disadvantage and this adds to it. By playing a 14-16 NT, opener will always have 17+ if balanced, which provides more information in competition. 2. By removing 16 HCP balanced hands from 1C, it makes a random 8 HCP response a better promise of game. Balanced hands have the least trick potential, versus unbalanced hands, on average. If there is no fit, a 16 HCP NT is a disappointment opposite 8 HCP. By guaranteeing 17+ HCP if balanced, responding hands can upgrade to a positive response more often, which makes it easier to handle competition and get to the right contract. It is more difficult to handle competition after a 1C-1D than after a 1C-suit positive. e.g. xx xxx AKxxx xxxcould gamble a game forcing 2D response to 1C a lot more easily if 1C promised 17+ HCP if balanced. This hand might be lost after 1C-(Pass)-1D-(2S). Removing the balanced bad hands from 1C makes it easier to guarantee game with any 8 HCP. The main advantage of 13-15 HCP is that it is more common than 14-16, and thus you can describe your hand more often more quickly with 13-15. However, there is no clear consensus that losing a 4-4 major fit (that you could find with a frequent 1D opening) is worth opening 1NT more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Dan, In several of my Precision partnerships I have played a 12-15 hcp 1NT. This is too wide a range, so we have gone back to 11-14 and open 1♦ with 15-16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi all, The original NT range in CC Wei precision was 13-15 HCP, possibly because it would allow the simple rule of all 16+ HCP hands opening 1C. There is a trend in the West to open 1NT with 14-16 HCP in Precision. Here are a few reasons: 1. When 1NT is 13-15, NT ranges with 16 or more HCP must be stretched and are vulnerable to being lost in interference. One possible ladder is:1D-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151C-1D-1N = 16-192N = 20-21 Another is:1D-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151C-1D-1N = 16-182N = 19-20 or even:1D-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151C-1D-1N = 16-181C-1D-1H [H or BAL]-1S[forced]-1N = 19-212N = 22-23 In each case, the balanced hands that open 1C start at 16. The problem with stretching the 1C-containing NT range is that when the opponent's compete, opener has a wider range of NT's to cover. 1C-(1H)-X-(2H) and opener may have 16 balanced or 19 balanced, for example. Or opener may have an unbalanced hand. Opener is already at a disadvantage and this adds to it. By playing a 14-16 NT, opener will always have 17+ if balanced, which provides more information in competition. 2. By removing 16 HCP balanced hands from 1C, it makes a random 8 HCP response a better promise of game. Balanced hands have the least trick potential, versus unbalanced hands, on average. If there is no fit, a 16 HCP NT is a disappointment opposite 8 HCP. By guaranteeing 17+ HCP if balanced, responding hands can upgrade to a positive response more often, which makes it easier to handle competition and get to the right contract. It is more difficult to handle competition after a 1C-1D than after a 1C-suit positive. e.g. xx xxx AKxxx xxxcould gamble a game forcing 2D response to 1C a lot more easily if 1C promised 17+ HCP if balanced. This hand might be lost after 1C-(Pass)-1D-(2S). Removing the balanced bad hands from 1C makes it easier to guarantee game with any 8 HCP. The main advantage of 13-15 HCP is that it is more common than 14-16, and thus you can describe your hand more often more quickly with 13-15. However, there is no clear consensus that losing a 4-4 major fit (that you could find with a frequent 1D opening) is worth opening 1NT more often. 首先我们真诚地感谢美国桥牌专家Dan Neill大师,全文如下: 精 确 体 系 中 的 无 将 阶 梯大家好:原始的魏氏精确体系的无将阶梯是13-15hcp,可能是因为该体系允许使用简单的开叫规则:16hcp+开叫1♣。但在西方欧美国家里,精确体系倾向于1NT是14-16hcp。原因如下: 1- 当1nt=13-15hcp时,16p或16p以上的无将阶梯肯定会被扩大,在受干扰的情况下,很容易遭受损失。 那么,一种可能的阶梯是:1♦-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151♣-1♦-1N = 16-192N = 20-21 而另一种无将阶梯是:1♦-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151♣-1♦-1N = 16-182N = 19-20 甚或阶梯是:1♦-1M-1N = 11-121N = 13-151♣-1♦-1N = 16-18 1♣-1♦1♥-1♠1N = 19-21 (1♥* =H套或均型,逼叫至1♠1♠*=接力) 2N = 22-23hcp 在这些牌例中,均型牌面开叫1c的起始点是16P。这种被扩大的1♣的无将问题是:当处于对手争叫的进程下,开叫人的强无将阶梯范围过宽会被掩盖。比如:[hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1c1hd2h]133|100[/hv]开叫人可能是16p均型,也可能是19P均型,或者也可能是一手非均型。这样就使得本已处于不利的情况下的开叫人愈加不利。而打14-16p阶梯的无将,如果是均型,开叫1♣将承诺永远有17p+。在竟叫过程中这就为同伴提供了更多的信息。 2- 从1♣开叫定义中去除16p均型, 就使得任意8hcp应叫都是更好的进局承诺。通常而言,相对于非均型,均型的牌面至少有赢墩的潜力。如果没有花色配合,那么一个16hcp的无将面对着同伴的 8hcp仍是一个令人沮丧的定约。 如果均型而能承诺17P+,经常会获得更多的积极应叫,使得在竟叫过程中处理的更加容易,并且获得正确的定约。和1♣-同伴积极应叫花色相比,在竟叫过程中,1♣--1♦后更难处理。例如:应叫人持有♠:xx ♥:xxx ♦:AKxxx ♣:xxx如果1♣开叫承诺均型时17hcp+,那这牌赌博性应叫2♦逼局就会容易得多。而不至于象在下面这样的 叫牌进程中,很可能的丢局。[hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp1d2s]133|100[/hv] 从1♣开叫定义中去除均型坏牌,更容易保证任意8hcp进局。13-15hcp的主要优点是比14-16hcp更常见,如此一来当你持有13-15hcp时可以更频繁更迅速地描述了。但是,相比错过一门高花4-4配合(开叫1♦,你会经常性地发现高花配合),13-15p是否是更值得更频繁地开叫1nt没有明确共识。 Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxl3256 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 学习了,感谢心烛老师。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dvd Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 jq的13-15的1n,的确存在一些问题;就开叫来讲,选择大nt还是小nt,就个人的认可度而言:可变大小nt>小nt>大nt; Fantuns体系采用小nt,用作者的原话来讲,根据他的统计,小nt因为被x而造成的损失可以忽略不计,小nt带来的利远大于弊。 对打jq体系的牌手来讲,条件允许的话,这个NT阶梯的确值得改良。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 作为译者,我曾多年就浏览他的网站,正是他的网站的专业性深深吸引了我的心,我非常敬佩他,以至于翻译时我能听到dan大师的心声!意译和直译相辅,怕功底不深的读者误会,我减少了一些意译,他也尊重我的意见,措辞柔和而精炼。限于中国读者的心理承受和知识面,许多话大师是保留的,我敢负责说。而dan大师的牌技,我难望项背,不愧是美国著名的桥牌专家和教练,红丝带获得者。我关注留意和研究这位美国专家多年了,不曾想大师竟然爽快地履约了,让我激动不已。略表数言,以示敬意! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 感谢dan大师,连老师都说难望其项背,我等可能只能够看大师后脚跟的份了(玩笑),再次感谢dan大师。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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