eagles123 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I thought this was quite a good hand for beginners, I don't think it will be too much of a problem for intermediate and above but please feel free to comment :) [hv=pc=n&w=shqt43dkt6ct98762&e=skt6hak8d875ckq54&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1cd4c4s5cppp]266|200[/hv] South leads a low spade which you ruff in dummy. A trump produces North's Ace and a low one from South and North returns the Jack of clubs. Plan the play :) Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 The only hint I can offer without spoiling it is to do the card placing exercise with reference to the auction and lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I have 20 points, leaving 20 also for them. South made a takeout double. North has already produced the ♣AJ, and seems to have the ♠A as well based on the opening lead. Therefore south has everything else, and probably four hearts. So I take 11 tricks via five trump in dummy, the ♦K, four hearts finessing the ten and pitching a diamond from hand, then ruff a diamond in hand. I wouldn't call it beginner level. Maybe 'advanced novice' or intermediate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 It seems to me that you just have to Eliminate spades and play three rounds of hearts, finessing. Of course in the extremely unlikely event that South started with fewer than three hearts, you will have to rely on his holding the ♦A. But the auction and earlier play make it very likely that South has that card, so in fact the elimination is not actually necessary. If this weren't the case it would be a nice beginner problem. So I guess I am missing something. EDIT: Did miss that you have already lost a trick so there is no 100% line. So the problem may be instructive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 It seems to me that you just have to Eliminate spades and play three rounds of hearts, finessing. Of course in the extremely unlikely event that South started with fewer than three hearts, you will have to rely on his holding the ♦A. But the auction and earlier play make it very likely that South has that card, so in fact the elimination is not actually necessary. If this weren't the case it would be a nice beginner problem. So I guess I am missing something. Hi, there is no huge trick I thought this would be a good hand for beginners because of (put in spoilers in case any beginners want to try it) - importance of the opening lead (i.e. inferring North has the Ace of spades)- importance of reading the auction in two ways: 1 - south is likely to have 4 hearts for his double so it's better to play for the finesse in Hearts rather than the drop 2 - North has shown up with 9 points, so South is marked with ace of Diamonds I'm sorry if it's not a good hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 It seems to me that you just have to Eliminate spades and play three rounds of hearts, finessing. Of course in the extremely unlikely event that South started with fewer than three hearts, you will have to rely on his holding the ♦A. But the auction and earlier play make it very likely that South has that card, so in fact the elimination is not actually necessary. If this weren't the case it would be a nice beginner problem. So I guess I am missing something. Hi, there is no huge trick I thought this would be a good hand for beginners because of (put in spoilers in case any beginners want to try it) - importance of the opening lead (i.e. inferring North has the Ace of spades)- importance of reading the auction in two ways: 1 - south is likely to have 4 hearts for his double so it's better to play for the finesse in Hearts rather than the drop 2 - North has shown up with 9 points, so South is marked with ace of Diamonds I'm sorry if it's not a good hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 There's even more to infer than you did: If the opening leader has ♠QJ he probably leads a big one, so the other hand may well have AJ. Thus the doubler must have every other card and still only has a 10 count so 4441 is a very likely shape, are you really doubling with a 4351 9 count which is what would be required for the finesse to be wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 There's even more to infer than you did: If the opening leader has ♠QJ he probably leads a big one, so the other hand may well have AJ. Thus the doubler must have every other card and still only has a 10 count so 4441 is a very likely shape, are you really doubling with a 4351 9 count which is what would be required for the finesse to be wrong ? Someone once doubled against me on a 4441 8-count. I placed the missing high cards in the wrong hand and went off :( On this hand it occurs to me that you can't make the contract if North has the ♦A, so although the cards mark it with South, that's pretty much irrelevant. The point about the hearts is a good one though - not only that South rates to have length for his X, but rates to have the ♥J as well based on counting HCP. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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