mikestar13 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 4♠ for me at these colors, make a small heart a stiff diamond and I'd probably pull in my horns and bid 3♠ (though I'd sill try 4♠ white vs. red). This hand doesn't feel like a one bid at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 1♠ -- IMO, the void, outside Ace and the soft defensive values in clubs argue against opening this any higher. That said, it's easy to see how others might evaluate it differently and open it at the 4-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 For mah fellow results merchants: [hv=pc=n&s=sqjt8643ha92dcq96&w=sk95hkj83dqjcat52&n=s72h654dk98732ck3&e=sahqt7dat654cj874&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=4sd(Showing%203%20defensive%20tricks%20in%20your%20partner%27s%20hand)ppp]399|300[/hv] W's double ensured a cold bottom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 4S. If suit were weaker, 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 For mah fellow results merchants: [hv=pc=n&s=sqjt8643ha92dcq96&w=sk95hkj83dqjcat52&n=s72h654dk98732ck3&e=sahqt7dat654cj874&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=4sd(Showing%203%20defensive%20tricks%20in%20your%20partner%27s%20hand)ppp]399|300[/hv] W's double ensured a cold bottom. I'd open 4♠ Personally, I think that the bottom had more to do with East'd pass than West's double... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 "I would open 1♠ without really thinking" Well at least you are honest Cyberyeti!Personally I cannot understand RHM or your approach in opening this 1S. To open this 1S is utterly wrong in my opinion, oh unless you like negative scores. What, like the -500 I avoided here :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I'd open 4♠ Personally, I think that the bottom had more to do with East'd pass than West's double... The double was for penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 "W's double ensured a cold bottom." Jinksy *** Good defense to stop the 3rd round C-ruff (or 2nd C-honor)You play in a tough crowd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 If west doesn't double it will be east, so not a big problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 "W's double ensured a cold bottom." Jinksy *** Good defense to stop the 3rd round C-ruff (or 2nd C-honor)You play in a tough crowd! Not exactly. I only went 2 off, but it was irrelevant, since no-one in the room found 3N. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Not exactly. I only went 2 off, but it was irrelevant, since no-one in the room found 3N.I wouldn't expect anyone to, at tables where 4♠ is opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 The double was for penalties. The x was for penalties? Where was the hand West held when he doubled? Surely it was not the hand you posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 If west doesn't double it will be east, so not a big problem. I imagine a vast majority of people would not X for takeout with east but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Not exactly. I only went 2 off, but it was irrelevant, since no-one in the room found 3N.And it would be irrelevant if anyone found 4H by East at this club, as South would unerringly find the club lead to beat it. Your poor score was caused by the failure of East-Wests to reach the cold 4NT from either side. Given that some Wests could double 4S to show a weak NT, I thought they might have managed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 For what it is worth:1♠ , THE BOSS-suit !But I am only Lurpoa... Be The ♥ with you ![hv=pc=n&s=sqjt8643ha92dcq96]133|100[/hv] You're dealer, love all at MPs. What minimal change would it take to shift you in favour of the closest alternative? (Edited to add) If relevant to your decision, we were playing 5cMs, weak NT, 2/1 is non-GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'd open 4♠. These sorts of openings do not "always work" by any means but I think they are definitely percentage. On the actual hand it seems that: 1. Opponents were playing unusual methods in that an initial double was apparently pure penalty.2. They also made an aggressive penalty double on a 14-count without clear tricks that worked out.3. Even so, they appear to be on for 3NT and on the normal-seeming ♦Q lead they get only 300 on defense. So either they found a lead that worked out better or the field let you down by not getting to/making a game on 25 high. It seems like really a conjunction of events here (partner has the wrong hand for 4♠, opponents combination of methods/style/hands allowed them to double when many people would not be able to, and either opponents found a lucky lead or the field could not bid and make a normal game). I wouldn't let this dissuade me from opening 4♠ on this type of hand in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 The bottom was because no-one in the room played 3N (or 4). I don't think anyone else opened 4S, but if they did, they weren't doubled. The x was for penalties? Where was the hand West held when he doubled? Surely it was not the hand you posted? Alas yes, hence my snarky alert :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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