good hand bad hearts

[manudude03]

[hv=pc=n&s=sk6hk9652dkjcakj6&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp1sd2d(7-9%20with%203%20spades)p2s]133|200[/hv]

 

MPs scoring unfavourable, 2D showed a normalish raise to 2S (7-9), do you act here, and if so how?

[P_Marlowe]

You have to act.

They are green vs. red, they opened in 3rd seat, and have methods

to stop on the 2 level, on (sub)-min openings.

 

I guess I would go with double, hopefully 2NT by partner is kind

of scrambling, so that we can find our best minor suit fit.

 

Did I love the initial X? No, but it is hard to argue, either call X,

1NT or 2H have their problems, you choose to make a T/O.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[mr1303]

Yeah I double again. I can't bring myself to bid 3H here

[ggwhiz]

Yeah I double again. I can't bring myself to bid 3H here

 

2♥ vs double the first time is a complete tossup but if you didn't bid 2♥ (for pretty good reasons) you certainly can't bid 3.

 

I'll double and if we aren't playing lebensohl in this situation we will be on the next hand.

 

The lack of a 2♥ bid or double from partner are bad signs but maybe I can defend 3♠ instead of two and I may well be sounding tough on the way to a dive.

[RSClyde]

I can't believe that "pass" is getting votes.

[helene_t]

The lack of a 2♥ bid or double from partner are bad signs

Depends. If double by partner would have shown diamonds then the lack of double is a good sign :)

[manudude03]

Pass would have been the winner here, partner had Qxx Jxx xxxx xxx, 3D was not pretty (-3).

[whereagles]

Dbl.

 

Pard is unlikely to bid diamonds because he didn't dbl 2D. But even if he does, pull back to hearts. No risk of pard raising to game because he's pretty much broke.

[ArtK78]

I will speak up for passing.

 

You are playing matchpoints, so -200 is fatal.

 

One opponent has opened the bidding, the other has shown a fair hand. Between them, they are representing about 1/2 the deck. You have almost the other 1/2 of the deck. So partner is broke. This is consistent with his pass over 2♦.

 

You have no dominant suit which would be a source of tricks.

 

You have a flawed takeout double. Your long suit is weak, and you have a short suit that is not yet bid. Partner, if he has length in any suit, could easily have length in your short suit. And if partner bids your short suit, you are in no position to "correct" to another suit.

 

Even if partner bids one of your long suits, making 8 tricks undoubled is no guarantee. And the opps know that you are vulnerable and that you are playing matchpoints, so a doubled one-trick set is certainly possible.

 

I would guess that your chance of going -200 or worse at the 3 level is very high. So pass and avoid a disaster.

[jdeegan]

:P Seems like dbl. is good. I have almost half the deck in high cards. If our ♠K is in the swing, and it is opps hand, we could be in some trouble. However, RHO is an nvul 3rd seat opener, and he may be bidding on air. Furthermore, we have some safety since partner can't have a really big ♦ suit (no double of 2♦), and I can't have just really big ♥ (didn't bid 3♥ right now). For all I know, the opponents are poised to make the fatal mistake, if pushed.

 

It is MP's. Minus eight zillion is just the same zero.

[Cyberyeti]

I'd have overcalled 2♥ then doubled, we play 3♥ for good or ill.

[ewj]

I would double. Partner should bid 2NT with 3343 really. Not that we'd get to hearts

[CSGibson]

double, and correct diamonds to hearts.

[the hog]

I pass. I cannot believe that taking further action gets any votes here. What are you going bid? 3H on that awful suit, x and habe parner answer in Ds? 3C? Now that is a real representation of your hand.

[mike777]

agree with x but 2h close. Now I pass pard can still balance. I expect pard to go out on a limb to bid very often.

[jdeegan]

Pass would have been the winner here, partner had Qxx Jxx xxxx xxx, 3D was not pretty (-3).

:P If you double, you can't pass a 3♦ response. You end up in 3♥. So, you lost today's matchpoint shoot out. No biggie.

[the hog]

:P If you double, you can't pass a 3♦ response. You end up in 3♥. So, you lost today's matchpoint shoot out. No biggie.

 

Correct, but partner can bid a scrambling 2NT or a Lebensohl bid.

[jdeegan]

I'd have overcalled 2♥ then doubled, we play 3♥ for good or ill.

:P A 2♥ overcall is imho let us just say 'incredible' at forms of scoring other than matchpoints. I am trying to get my mind around its merits at MP's. You may well have a good point in today's environment. What would you bid at other forms of scoring?

[Cyberyeti]

:P A 2♥ overcall is imho let us just say 'incredible' at forms of scoring other than matchpoints. I am trying to get my mind around its merits at MP's. You may well have a good point in today's environment. What would you bid at other forms of scoring?

 

We play our simple overcalls very sound, partner will not pass this very often if we should be higher barring a freak with a LOT of clubs.

[jdeegan]

We play our simple overcalls very sound, partner will not pass this very often if we should be higher barring a freak with a LOT of clubs.

:P Fair enough. Minus 800 or 1100 is no worries. Minus 200 or 300 after all pass is only a routine concern. After all, your opponents are from a generation raised on matchpoint scoring and negative doubles. Now we are into IMP scoring which is more like the old days. Anyone willing to consider an overcall of 1NT with this hand the first time? Personally, I would never do it.

[Cyberyeti]

:P Fair enough. Minus 800 or 1100 is no worries. Minus 200 or 300 after all pass is only a routine concern. After all, your opponents are from a generation raised on matchpoint scoring and negative doubles. Now we are into IMP scoring which is more like the old days. Anyone willing to consider an overcall of 1NT with this hand the first time? Personally, I would never do it.

 

-800 is a risk you take, the same risk you take that it might go 1♠-X-XX-P- or 1♠-X-P-2♦ where by our methods I can't bid 2♥ as this shows a bigger hand than this.

 

I feel the hand is too good for 1N but only just, what do we need for game ? xxx, QJx, Qxxx, Qxx ? remove the minor suit jacks and I might do it.

[NickRW]

Anyone willing to consider an overcall of 1NT with this hand the first time? Personally, I would never do it.

 

I think I might have.

[aguahombre]

Depends. If double by partner would have shown diamonds then the lack of double is a good sign :)

Our problem with that inference is that the Double would have shown diamonds, but also some competitive values as an advance of the T/O dbl -- thus responsive in nature with (say) 2-3-4-4 or somesuch. So, if she had Doubled 2D, a simple 3H might not even be enough. One of the bad guys is messing around.

 

So, I am not tempted to act again regardless.

[HighLow21]

Choice has to be between double (to show extra values) and pass. It's very likely any response by partner will lead to a minus score, and given the poor intermediates and playing MP good chance one opponent will double the final contract. Even -1 doubled is a tragedy.

 

It all comes down to whether you think the opponents are on the level -- they may not be, but if you're wrong you go down hard. Opponent bidding suggests partner has maybe a queen and a jack somewhere.