What kind of squeeze is this?

[mr1303]

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I played this in 4NT on the J of diamonds lead. Assume it was matchpoints and you get the clubs right, West gets horribly squeezed in first 3 suits then two suits, but without the count.

 

Any ideas what this is called?

[ahydra]

He's not really squeezed in spades because there is no menace?

 

Indeed it looks like 11 tricks no matter what. West throws all his spades on the clubs, then all his non-ace hearts on the spades, leaving him with ♥A ♦10 which make the last two tricks.

 

If you swap the 7 and 4 of diamonds though, you get a beer squeeze-endplay!

 

ahydra

[c_corgi]

Indeed it looks like 11 tricks no matter what. West throws all his spades on the clubs, then all his non-ace hearts on the spades, leaving him with ♥A ♦10 which make the last two tricks.

ahydra

 

Once he has bared the ♥A you can set up a heart trick, providing you have retained communication in diamonds.

[Endymion77]

After you cash 5 clubs and 3 spades throwing 2 hearts from South's hand West needs to get down to ♥A and ♦J1075 and you can set up the 12th trick in hearts. It's a strip squeeze.

[gnasher]

It's a simple squeeze without the count.

 

It's a strip squeeze.

The term "strip squeeze" normally implies that someone is endplayed to give an extra trick by leading into a tenace. Here we're not endplaying him, we're just forcing him to throw a winner.

[Endymion77]

A strip squeeze doesn't necessarily require a traditional endplay. It does require that a defender is forced to unguard or discard a (potential) winner, and then be forced to lead into a suit that gives the defense an additional trick. Which is exactly what happens here - West is forced to throw a potential winner (the ♥Q) and is then thrown in with the ♥A and can only return a diamond which makes the ♥J the 12th trick.

[gnasher]

A strip squeeze doesn't necessarily require a traditional endplay. It does require that a defender is forced to unguard or discard a (potential) winner, and then be forced to lead into a suit that gives the defense an additional trick. Which is exactly what happens here - West is forced to throw a potential winner (the ♥Q) and is then thrown in with the ♥A and can only return a diamond which makes the ♥J the 12th trick.

I've just remembered why I don't usually participate in discussions about squeeze terminology.

[Finch]

It's a simple squeeze without the count. there's no endplay or strip element to it.

 

It's a squeeze. It gains one trick if you read it rather than do something simple like take a heart finesse. Why does it matter what it is called?

These positions are extremely common, but playing for them is nearly always hugely antipercentage.

[Endymion77]

OK, I looked it up and here's what it is:

http://www.bridgeguys.com/squeeze/secondary_squeeze.html

[PhilKing]

OK, I looked it up and here's what it is:

http://www.bridgeguys.com/squeeze/secondary_squeeze.html

 

If Bridgeguys say it is a strip squeeze then it must be true. Oh wait ...

 

There's no strip. We have 11 on top and West is just squeezed without the count.

[Endymion77]

> There's no strip. We have 11 on top and West is just squeezed without the count in two suits.

 

West either has to unguard diamonds, or strip the ♥A which sets up a heart trick. And according to the above article, which might or might not be true but the example's very close to the hand in question if you bother to look at it, a squeeze without the count and a strip squeeze is essentially the same. Anyway, it's a rather pointless discussion and I think it's about time we all move on to other stuff. :)

[PhilKing]

> There's no strip. We have 11 on top and West is just squeezed without the count in two suits.

 

West either has to unguard diamonds, or strip the ♥A which sets up a heart trick. And according to the above article, which might or might not be true but the example's very close to the hand in question if you bother to look at it, a squeeze without the count and a strip squeeze is essentially the same. Anyway, it's a rather pointless discussion and I think it's about time we all move on to other stuff. :)

 

You could have moved on by not replying. :P

 

And I did read it before concluding it was basically wrong.

[ahydra]

And I did read it before concluding it was basically wrong.

 

Indeed, I've always considered "strip squeeze" to be synonymous with "squeeze-endplay", i.e. either you squeeze the victim out of a winner, or you throw him in with said winner to lead into your tenace.

 

ahydra

[dake50]

If Bridgeguys say it is a strip squeeze then it must be true. Oh wait ...

 

*** So Bridgeguys attempt to collect by categories used by those they mirror IS THE DEFINITION of those categories???

You way misunderstand their work. The collection IS VALUABLE however categorized.

*** How about define your terms, and show the distinction. Then readers can see a value in that distinction, or BullSHIP just to argue.