ewj Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Love all, IMPs, longish match. [hv=pc=n&n=shajt864dkq963c62]133|100[/hv] What do people think about 4♥? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 It might work. It's a bit (read: a lot) anti-partnership though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Sure, 4♥ might work. So might 6♦. But not usually. I prefer 1♥ by a large margin. Why is this in expert forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 1♥ for me, I may open 4 if I feel we are behind and need some action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted October 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Sure, 4♥ might work. So might 6♦. But not usually. I prefer 1♥ by a large margin. Why is this in expert forum? Because I wanted to ask the opinion of "experts". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Because I wanted to ask the opinion of "experts". Apparently (according to mods, mgoetze and others) this is not the point of the expert forum - I have had topics of mine moved because they were not 'expert' enough (despite the people moving them professing not to be experts themselves and acknowledged experts admitting to being unsure of the answers). Don't ask me what the point of the forum is though, because I haven't really received a satisfactory answer on this yet and the forum description is inconsistent with what actually gets posted here. Apparently an acceptable answer you might have given would be "because I am an expert". Sorry for the derail. I like 4H first/3rd in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Love all, IMPs, longish match.At the beginning of a longish match, 4♥ would put them on notice. Not sure what the message would be, or whether "them" is 2,or 3 people --maybe more if there is a captain in charge of future lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think 4♥ is fine. Similar to a hand that Gold had in the 2008 Olympiad final that is included in the interesting Pavlicek article (http://rpbridge.net/9x16.htm). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Because I wanted to ask the opinion of "experts".You can, and usually will, get experts replying to questions/topics in other subforums. Technically I suppose I should not post in this forum at all. Often, I click an interesting-sounding topic on the new content list, add a reply, and only later realize what forum it is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think 4♥ is wrong because the hearts aren't good enough, and also because this heart holding is good opposite a singleton heart and some diamond length. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think 4♥ is fine. Similar to a hand that Gold had in the 2008 Olympiad final that is included in the interesting Pavlicek article (http://rpbridge.net/9x16.htm). That was x AKJ10xx KQ109x x in third seat. I don't think that's particularly similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Sure it could work, but so often when I "operate" like this with 4♥ I end up apologizing to PD. My 6 card suit isn't really good enough for 4♥. I'll just open 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Love all, IMPs, longish match. [hv=pc=n&n=shajt864dkq963c62]133|100[/hv] What do people think about 4♥?Don't like 4♥. It could work, but there are a lot of things that could go wrong. Aside from the nightmare of running into a heart stack on your left when your side has a good diamond fit, you could miss a slam, a better game, or a paying sacrifice in diamonds if the opps bid 4♠ or 5♣. Further, partner might take a phantom not knowing that his KQ(x) of hearts is worth two tricks. This is the kind of action that I would expect from someone who considers his team to be a heavy underdog in the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Opening 4M on such hands is an underrated strategy on bbf imo. This isn't the right suit for it though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Even allowing much leeway when missing the other Major (thus likely to beat their score),this suit is too weak, A +KQ less fear of 4S, some chance 5D,6D,7D is on and missed. I'm fully aware that 1H .. (4S) before my rebid, when I guess 5D is my bid -- hating that.I won't risk a likely 4H disaster to keep them from the same 4S my teammates find -- that's the big taming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thanks for the replies people. Nice link to the article on 4H openings against 1H openings. I just wondered what people thought generally...I opened 1H and my counterpart in the other room opened 4, which gained a swing on this occasion when we had this layout.[hv=pc=n&s=sjt9532hd84cqj842&w=skq874hk6d7cakt96&n=shajt852dkq963c73&e=sa6hq9743dajt52c5&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=4hpp4sppp]399|300[/hv] We actually played a spade part score the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Be careful to avoid resulting. If they manage to double 4♥, it looks like -800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Be careful to avoid resulting. If they manage to double 4♥, it looks like -800. Yes I can appreciate that....looks like they'd do very well to make 6 tricks to be honest I merely posted the hand for people's interest :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 I don't like it. Defense, 2nd suit to play in, just 6 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Nothing. 4H is certainly an option in 3rd seat, but not in 1st or 2nd.You have a nice hand, opening bid, with an eays rebid.You are at the beginning of the match, why do you want to try fora swing board at the beginning. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Love all, IMPs, longish match. [hv=pc=n&n=shajt864dkq963c62]133|100[/hv] What do people think about 4♥?I think the 4♥ bid would have more going for it if the hand would have been [hv=pc=n&n=shkqt864dAJT63c62]133|100[/hv] Rainer Herrmann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I think the 4♥ bid would have more going for it if the hand would have been [hv=pc=n&n=shkqt864dAJT63c62]133|100[/hv] Rainer HerrmannCertainly! And this would have been even better: [hv=pc=n&n=s5haqt98643d63c62]133|100[/hv] I would have been richer if I would have been Lionel Messi. Unfortunately, we have to bid the hands that we are dealt, not the hands that would be better for our bids. As to the actual hand: My partner wouldn't hear any complaints from me whether he chose to open 1♥ or 4♥. Rik 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Certainly! And this would have been even better: [hv=pc=n&n=s5haqt98643d63c62]133|100[/hv] I would have been richer if I would have been Lionel Messi. Unfortunately, we have to bid the hands that we are dealt, not the hands that would be better for our bids. As to the actual hand: My partner wouldn't hear any complaints from me whether he chose to open 1♥ or 4♥. RikIf you do not get the point I am making, do not post on the expert forum. There are some other forums more suitable for you Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 If you do not get the point I am making, do not post on the expert forum. There are some other forums more suitable for you Rainer HerrmannOf course, I got the point you were making. Do you think that experts are waiting for someone to point out to them that honor structure could be relevant when choosing your initial action? Or do you think -on reflection- that most experts have seen something like that before? The question at hand is not: "Gee, what hand would I rather have?". The question is "What would I open with the hand I got dealt?". You didn't answer that question yet. If you meant to write: "I am not against opening 6-5 hands with 4♥, but I would not do that on the actual hand because I don't like the honor structure. Make it [rhm's hand] and I would open 4♥ any day." then why didn't you do that? That would have added something useful to the discussion. But as it is you only wrote that your hand would be better suited for 4♥. You didn't write whether you thought the actual hand was good for a 4♥ opening (or what other action you would choose). You didn't even write whether you would open 4♥ on the hand that you constructed. Rik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted October 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Of course, I got the point you were making. Do you think that experts are waiting for someone to point out to them that honor structure could be relevant when choosing your initial action? Or do you think -on reflection- that most experts have seen something like that before? The question at hand is not: "Gee, what hand would I rather have?". The question is "What would I open with the hand I got dealt?". You didn't answer that question yet. If you meant to write: "I am not against opening 6-5 hands with 4♥, but I would not do that on the actual hand because I don't like the honor structure. Make it [rhm's hand] and I would open 4♥ any day." then why didn't you do that? That would have added something useful to the discussion. But as it is you only wrote that your hand would be better suited for 4♥. You didn't write whether you thought the actual hand was good for a 4♥ opening (or what other action you would choose). You didn't even write whether you would open 4♥ on the hand that you constructed. Rik Yawn...I think Rainer's post basically said just that....That he wouldn't have opened on the hand I gave but might have done with the one he then posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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