000ffj Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sa86hkq75daq852c8&n=skq742ha942dt6ca7&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1sp2dp2hp]266|200[/hv]As respondent,How will you try slam?My idea is jump 4th suiter 4c=7keys three-suited-ask,It's reasonable and saving space.After analysis of these sort of hands, You will find you have 3 suiters in both hands,and It’s not surely the best with 4-4 fitting suiter as trump.for example[hv=pc=n&s=sa96hk964daqj74c8&n=skq742hat52dk6c93&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1sp2dp2hp]266|200[/hv]You can make 6d/s,but 6h[hv=pc=n&s=sa95hkq63daqj84c4&n=sk8432ha854dk6c86]133|200[/hv]You can make 6h,but 6d/s.AKQ in 3 suiters you have are all important,how do you know how many of them you have in both hands?Maybe my idea is one of plans: jump 4th suiter=7 keys in 3 suiters askinganswer:plus 1=2 keys at most without intresting in slam.plus 2=3/6keys or 1key with 3 queensplus 3=4/7keys or 2keys with 3 queensplus 4=5 keysresponder can go on asking queen with close 4th suiter or ntand answer:plus 1=0/3queen.plus 2=1 queen in lower suiter without queen in 4-4 fitting suiterplus 3=1 queen in higher suiter without queen in 4-4 fitting suiterplus 4=2queens without queen in 4-4 fitting suiterplus 5=1queen in 4-4 fitting suiterAll is my fantasy.and the highest asking-bidding is 5c:example 1s-2h-3d-5cthe lowest asking-bidding is 3s:example 1c-1h-2d-3sor you can use 2s=asking when responder passedexample 1c-1d-1h-2s2s=asking if it comes from passed hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mr1303 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I'm not prepared to lose a splinter from my bidding arsenal. These hands are only an issue when you have both a 5-3 and a 4-4 fit. If you want to be able to accurately bid these hands, I suggest you use relay methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ask for DK. Nope then 6H.Yup, then ask SKQ? #A? to grand 7H>7Nt may ruff 4th spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 My head hurts. Why can't I just bid 2♠ then 3♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 My head hurts. Why can't I just bid 2♠ then 3♥? What if you're not playing 2/1? And after this sequence, what is trumps? In standard you should be able to get away with 3C then 4H on this, preserving 4C as a splinter. The 4C three-suited-ask idea isn't a bad one but I think the responses can be improved a bit - perhaps even to show specifically what cards are held. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 3H. There are no bidding agreements mentioned, like last train or serious cue, but I think I am too strong for 4C without *anything* to striate partner's ranges if they don't have the dK. I will proceed to RKC unless partner bids 4H right then and there, which I think even without agreements means a pretty horrible hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm also for 3♥. Whenever I have a 4-4 and a 5-3 fit I look to play in the 4-4 fit. In most cases (not all, like the 2nd example illustrates) this plays better. I'll end up in 5♥ missing a keycard and trump Q instead of 6♦ or 6♠ on the second hand, but I'll end up in 6♥ in the other cases. You can't have it all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 The 4C three-suited-ask idea isn't a bad one but I think the responses can be improved a bit - perhaps even to show specifically what cards are held. ahydra What possible reason is there to invent a load of gumph for this auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000ffj Posted October 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I'm also for 3♥. Whenever I have a 4-4 and a 5-3 fit I look to play in the 4-4 fit. In most cases (not all, like the 2nd example illustrates) this plays better. I'll end up in 5♥ missing a keycard and trump Q instead of 6♦ or 6♠ on the second hand, but I'll end up in 6♥ in the other cases. You can't have it all...You can get all by my way at least,but you refused it deep inside,Like a beautiful model, you'll always be just look not touch :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Like a beautiful model, you'll always be just look not touch :rolleyes:That's quite a poor comparison :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 I already use unnecessarily high bids as showing a double fit in many auctions but here it strikes me as far too specific. Let me start by asking the OP what proprtion of hands that respond 2♦ would qualify for this 4♣ call. In the meantime you also have to consider what to do with all the other hands that would have used the normal meaning for the call, a splinter. In other words, if we had almost unlimited bidding space then this would be a decent idea to play around with; but in the absence of that we have to cater to all of the hands and not just a tiny fraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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