MickyB Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=s53h4dt9742cq9542&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p2n(20-21)p]133|200|IMPs. 3S would show both minors. Edit: 3C is vanilla Stayman[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I fold, but puppet stayman looks like a reasonable alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=s53h4dt9742cq9542&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p2n(20-21)p]133|200|IMPs. 3S would show both minors. Edit: 3C is vanilla Stayman[/hv] Need more info about system. If we have a way to be able to play 4m after 3♠, in the case of no 5-4 or better fit, then i would bid 3♠ if not i will pass 2 NT.I am aware we can make 5m easily in some hands where we have 9+ card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 At the table I bid 3♠, planning to raise if partner showed a minor. Interestingly I just used this hand for training for the Scottish Juniors. The problem changed as RHO found a 4♥ overcall, Then questions about methods ensued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Need more info about system. If we have a way to be able to play 4m after 3♠, in the case of no 5-4 or better fit, then i would bid 3♠ if not i will pass 2 NT.I am aware we can make 5m easily in some hands where we have 9+ card fit. Not a bad idea, but no, if partner rebids 3NT then 4♣ would be a slam-try. BTW, 2N:3S, 3N doesn't deny a four-card minor for us - we play 3N = unsuitable; 4m = four cards, not unsuitable; 4H = 3-3 minors, suitable. I chose to pass at the table. It felt like I would get 3NT from partner most of the time, and I didn't fancy my chances there. If partner had responded 4m to 3S, I'd have been tempted to pass; We may already have picked up a swing just by bidding, and partner may raise 5m to 6m. To be honest, I didn't get as far as constructing hands for a 4m bid to decide whether I preferred passing to raising. On the actual deal, partner has a huge hand that has, IMO, forgotten to upgrade - AJT Axx AJxxx AK. 6D goes off on a 5-1 club break, even if they don't lead spades. 2N was one off on a heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 did they lead a heart or a spade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 did they lead a heart or a spade? Spoiler edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Against me, they bid 2NT-3♠-4♦-5♦-Pass. :( Opener had a clear raise to slam even on a non-invitational auction imo, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I play 4 suit transfers over 2NT, so I would bid 3NT - a transfer to diamonds. If partner bids 4♣, saying that he does not have a great fit for diamonds, I would pass, as it is likely that we have a club fit. If partner bids 4♦, I would pass that as well. My goal is to improve the contract, not find some miracle game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Against me, they bid 2NT-3♠-4♦-5♦-Pass. :( Opener had a clear raise to slam even on a non-invitational auction imo, but whatever. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Against me, they bid 2NT-3♠-4♦-5♦-Pass. :( Opener had a clear raise to slam even on a non-invitational auction imo, but whatever.We bid the same way but the auction did not guarantee both minors and the lack of a major suit cue bid was the main reason to pass. Not sure I'd have managed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 3S (both minors). This hand is dynamic and unpredictable, but I'm not betting a random 2N is that much better than a random 3N, or most 5 of a minor if partner has a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 My goal is to improve the contract or maybe find a nice game, not find some miracle game slam.SYP Hands such as the responding OP hand are why we don't use much modern stuff over 2NT; the OP has a serious problem here due to the methods. They might be more effective over the long haul, but we seem to come out o.k. with 3♠ MSS; and would have in this case as well. (Would prefer that partner were in the Opening seat to make the last choice whether to push 6D :rolleyes: ) The problem with 3♠ (minors) here would be (as mentioned by others) what to do if Partner doesn't have a minor and rebids 3NT. We do have 4♣ as a mere P/C, but should we shoot out 3NT instead? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 SYP Hands such as the responding OP hand are why we don't use much modern stuff over 2NT; the OP has a serious problem here due to the methods. They might be more effective over the long haul, but we seem to come out o.k. with 3♠ MSS; and would have in this case as well. (Would prefer that partner were in the Opening seat to make the last choice whether to push 6D :rolleyes: ) The problem with 3♠ (minors) here would be (as mentioned by others) what to do if Partner doesn't have a minor and rebids 3NT. We do have 4♣ as a mere P/C, but should we shoot out 3NT instead? I think not. I don't know what "SYP" means, but I meant what I said. I intend to play in 4 of a minor. Opener has no option over my 3NT bid but to either complete the transfer to 4♦ or to bid 4♣ without a diamond fit. I am passing whatever he bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 "Stole" your post to state my goal, which was different from yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I fold, but puppet stayman looks like a reasonable alternative. If partner bids 3H?I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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