Fluffy Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 ♠K65432♥-♦AJ84♣AQ3 All vul, IMPs 1♠-(double)-redouble-(2♥) If you let him partner will double 2♥ for penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think I prefer to bid 2♠ ahead of partner. It should show at least 6 cards and a non-minimum hand. Over his 2NT I'd bid 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think I prefer to bid 2♠ ahead of partner. It should show at least 6 cards and a non-minimum hand. Over his 2NT I'd bid 3♦. On the contrary, 2S would certainly show a minimum opening. Having said this, I prefer not to let partner x with a void in my hand. I will bid 2D, which is far better imo than 2S. Why show 6 cards when you can show 9+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Pass. An immediate 2S would be a weak hand *and* not able to sit for penalty. Pass then pull shows a GF hand with no interest in sitting for penalty. This is a flexible hand. Partner may have the typical BAL 10-11 with doubleton spade, but let's see what happens. So on the given penalty double, I return to 2S. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 All vul, IMPs ♠ K 6 5 4 3 2 ♥- ♦ A J 8 4 ♣ A Q 31♠-(double)-redouble-(2♥)??If you let him partner will double 2♥ for penalty. It depends on agreement but I prefer DJNeill's style: Pass = 10, 3♦ = 6, 2♠ = 5. After passing, when partner doubles, 2♠ = 10, 3♦ = 8, Pass = 7. It's tempting to sit for partner's double.Pass then pull shows sound opening values and ♥ shortness. An immediate 2♠ might show something like ♠ K Q x x x x ♥ x ♦ K Q x ♣ x x xFor us, even an immediate 3♠ would be weak with extra shape. For instance♠ K Q x x x x x ♥- ♦ K Q x x ♣ x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 It depends on agreement but I prefer DJNeill's style: Pass = 10, 3♦ = 6, 2♠ = 5. After passing, when partner doubles, 2♠ = 10, 3♦ = 8, Pass = 7. It's tempting to sit for partner's double.Pass then pull shows sound opening values and ♥ shortness. An immediate 2♠ might show something like ♠ K Q x x x x ♥ x ♦ K Q x ♣ x x xFor us, even an immediate 3♠ would be weak with extra shape. For instance♠ K Q x x x x x ♥- ♦ K Q x x ♣ x The first example is a weak 2 in my book, the second example is close to a 4S opening. However I have reconsidered my post and do believe that Dan's approach is better than 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 On the contrary, 2S would certainly show a minimum opening. Having said this, I prefer not to let partner x with a void in my hand. I will bid 2D, which is far better imo than 2S. Why show 6 cards when you can show 9+?While 2♦ may be "far better" than 2♠, it is insufficient, so the director might disapprove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 While 2♦ may be "far better" than 2♠, it is insufficient, so the director might disapprove. I meant 3 of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I would pass first, then bid 2♠ which is forcing for one round. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I would pass first, then bid 2♠ which is forcing for one round. Agreed but with a specific discussion with pard that a direct 2♠ shows a worm and this auction is only 98% forcing depending on which one of us redoubled. My partner is so glass 1/2 full I might hear "but it was a really good 9 count". She likes all her hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Nobody suggests a 2NT take out before or after double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Nobody suggests a 2NT take out before or after double? The Sharples used a bid of notrump immediately after the redouble as the gypsy' warning not to trust their opener: usually stop in the bid suit and subminimum. e.g ♠ K J x x x ♥ A Q ♦ x x x x ♣ x xhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF78JmPa6vg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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