SAYC — New Suit always Forcing (or not)?

[Adam1105]

We are playing SAYC.

 

Is or is not North's 2♦ bid forcing?

 

[hv=pc=n&s=sj986htdqt83cqj72&n=sa4haj973dkj9764c&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1hp1sp2dppp]266|200[/hv]

 

Thanks very much for answering this question.

 

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[mr1303]

No, it isn't. If North wanted to force he should bid 3D. I'm not saying that North should bid 3D on this particular hand though.

[Endymion77]

This particular bid isn't forcing. North can open 1♦ and reverse into 2♥ with a 5 loser hand (assuming a red suit fit can be found), the hand's not strong enough to open 1♥ and rebid 3♦.

[Vampyr]

This particular bid isn't forcing. North can open 1♦ and reverse into 2♥ with a 5 loser hand (assuming a red suit fit can be found), the hand's not strong enough to open 1♥ and rebid 3♦.

 

When you reverse it is into a shorter suit than the one you opened, although some people will manufacture one with 4-4-4-1.

[Endymion77]

When you reverse it is into a shorter suit than the one you opened, although some people will manufacture one with 4-4-4-1.

 

Yes, opener has 6 diamonds and 5 hearts, doesn't he?

[Vampyr]

Yes, opener has 6 diamonds and 5 hearts, doesn't he?

LOL yes. I miscounted.

[broze]

I like to retain the 1d-1s-3h sequence for these hands showing a distributional hand but not enough HCP for a reverse.

 

Others prefer to use that sequence for a splinter agreeing S because 1d-1s-4h is so unwieldy.

[blackshoe]

If everything goes well on this hand, you'll make 5♦. If it doesn't, you'll make 3 or 4. All things considered you have to decide before your first bid whether you want to show your hearts — I don't think you're strong enough to reverse on this hand, in spite of having "only" 5 losers. So you either bid it the way the OP did, in order to show both suits (and accept that you may get passed out in 2♦) or you start with diamonds and reverse into hearts, accepting that you may get too high if partner's hand is unsuitable or other problems raise their ugly heads.

 

If you reverse, the bidding should go 1♦-1♠-2♥-3♦-4♦?-5♦?, or perhaps 1♦-1♠-2♥-3♦-3♥-4 or 5♦. I would not be surprised to end up in 3 or 4 diamonds.

[Endymion77]

Is South's hand good enough to bid a direct forcing 3♦ over the reverse, or he would go through Leb 2NT to try to sign off in 3♦? The fit is good but everything he has in clubs and spades is probably wasted.

[Bbradley62]

We are playing SAYC.

 

Is or is not North's 2♦ bid forcing?

BBO's step-by-step SAYC convention card is very helpful and convenient for answering questions about that system. As others have said, this bid is non-forcing.