raising partner

[Fluffy]

[hv=pc=n&s=s6hqjt8dakq4ckqj3&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=pp1c(strong%20club)2s3c(nat%2C%20GF%2C%208-10%20HCP)3s]133|200[/hv]

 

Partner has a very narrow range, we open all 11 counts with 5 card suit, and also many 10s (but missing ♣KQJ not that many)

 

There is no kickback available, options are restricted to 4♣, 4♠, and blasting something like 4NT blackwood, or some number of clubs.

 

EDIT: 1430 BTW, so blackwood won't get you to a 2 aces off slam, but it can get you to a hopeless one.

[dake50]

Can't imagine partner has less than Sxxx(x) HAK(x) Dxx CAxxx(x) I like 5C or higher chances.

Partner didn't negX as he has only 3xH,

nor Q-bid without S-control,

nor pass to let some partial fizzle out.

He has 'stuff'.

[Fluffy]

partner has a limit of 10 HCP, we open a big club, he has shown 8+

[jdeegan]

:P Just a quibble, but why not open one diamond? Having opened one club and heard partner bid three clubs, well, unless he/she has the 'magic' hand (AK A), slam in clubs is not there. I would just bid 5♣. Perhaps, everyone is still in the dark, and we can get rich if they bid again. No sensible way to investigate 3NT, so put it to the opponents. Given the conditions, 4♣ may work out OK, just not my style in an ambiguous auction that is not at all ambiguous from my seat.

[Cyberyeti]

:P Just a quibble, but why not open one diamond? Having opened one club and heard partner bid three clubs, well, unless he/she has the 'magic' hand (AK A), slam in clubs is not there. I would just bid 5♣. Perhaps, everyone is still in the dark, and we can get rich if they bid again. No sensible way to investigate 3NT, so put it to the opponents. Given the conditions, 4♣ may work out OK, just not my style in an ambiguous auction that is not at all ambiguous from my seat.

 

For the third time because they play a strong club and this is an 18 count.

 

Partner can have the magic hand Axx, void, xxxx, A10xxxx or similar but it's odds against, what is he likely to tell you over 4♠ ? not much, there isn't room and he'll bid a slam on some hands he thinks are good but aren't, I bid 5♣ and partner may raise to 6 with either the hand above or the same with the red suits reversed in which case I hope they lead a spade.

[Mbodell]

I think your odds are less than 50% of slam being good. But blackwood might be good, since if you knew for sure that partner held two A, 5+ clubs then I think odds are pretty reasonable they are the club A and the heart A, and if that is the case you are pretty good for slam (often you can pitch hearts on diamonds, and if not the finesse might be on). Something like xxx Axx Jx Axxxx seems like a perfect hand that makes slam with no finesse needed and xxx Axx xx Axxxx is a perfect minimum where slam is on a finesse.

 

So since partner is almost 0% to have no keycards, 5♣ is often right opposite 1 key card (since with only 1 kc often would have ♥K+♣A), and 6♣ is often right over 2 key cards, that seems like a good bid.

[mikestar13]

5♣ seems obvious, partner will seldom have a perfecto and will be able to bid 6 on at least some of those. On second thought, forcing pass (or neg double if fp doesn't apply here) might get to a making 3NT when even 5♣ is hopeless due to spade waste, but may not work so well if partner has no spade cards, which is fairly likely, but less so if opponents interfere fanatically in big club auctions. High level competition is a PITA.

[RunemPard]

I'll BW and take my chances in 5♦ if it happens...Partner shouldn't have 4 hearts so we might survive and I really want to try for it... :-/

[jdeegan]

:P I now see the subsequent posting. If 1♣ is just an artificial big bid, then 3♣ must show six or more very playable clubs. Again AK A is unlikely, so 5♣ is even more to be advised.

[awm]

Seems like an easy 4c; pd cam have xxx Axx x Axxxxx or similar. If I hear 4h cue then I can rkc.

[aguahombre]

:P I now see the subsequent posting.

Some people even read the Original posting, including the yellow parts of the bidding diagram.

[Winstonm]

5C for me. Once you run out of tools to investigate higher contracts, it is time to place contract in the last known reasonable spot.

[MrAce]

Seems like an easy 4c; pd cam have xxx Axx x Axxxxx or similar. If I hear 4h cue then I can rkc.

 

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[blackshoe]

4♣, since it's forcing and I want to hear more from partner.

[cloa513]

Your only real hope of slam is singleton heart or void and ace of clubs and ace of spades or a more gambling contract- ace of hearts (plus of course 5 clubs). You can blast 5 ♣ because partner will force to slam with the appropriate hand. He won't have A♣ AK♥. 4 Clubs should be something much more unusual virtually forcing to slam with appropriate hand going to grand slam.

[wanoff]

Rather than think about slam I'd prefer to look for the right game which may be 3NT. Double.

[Cyberyeti]

4♣, since it's forcing and I want to hear more from partner.

 

My intrinsic feel is that 4♣ is bigger than this, we're in a game force and I have what feels like a fairly minimum 1♣ which is why I bid 5, I'm not looking for a good hand to bid 6, I'm looking for something truly exceptional.

[blackshoe]

My intrinsic feel is that 4♣ is bigger than this, we're in a game force and I have what feels like a fairly minimum 1♣ which is why I bid 5, I'm not looking for a good hand to bid 6, I'm looking for something truly exceptional.

Good point.

[jdeegan]

Some people even read the Original posting, including the yellow parts of the bidding diagram.

:P My browser in its current set up does not show any yellow part of the bidding diagram. There is a blank white space there, however. Any ideas on how to fix this?

[Cyberyeti]

:P My browser in its current set up does not show any yellow part of the bidding diagram. There is a blank white space there, however. Any ideas on how to fix this?

On most there is a yellow square around where it says 1♣. Does anything happen if you click on the 1♣ ?

[jdeegan]

On most there is a yellow square around where it says 1♣. Does anything happen if you click on the 1♣ ?

:P Thank you very much. No yellow square highlight with my browser, but when I clicked on the bid as you suggested, it gave me the appropriate response.

[Fluffy]

Partner's hand was this:

 

♠xxx

♥Ax

♦J10x

♣A10xxx

 

 

4♣ to be followed by 4NT over 4♥ is certainly the best plan... unless 4♥ is doubled for the best lead. If 4♥ is doubled you might risk a redouble but it wouldn't work this time. Good thing about double is that it solves the problem of how to play on a heart lead.

[keylime]

Double. T/O of spades, showing this hand. Pard can now pattern out with any 2nd suit, or bid 3NT. The key is, he's a passed hand. If he holds AKK for his ten points, he likely is very square.

[rhm]

My intrinsic feel is that 4♣ is bigger than this, we're in a game force and I have what feels like a fairly minimum 1♣ which is why I bid 5, I'm not looking for a good hand to bid 6, I'm looking for something truly exceptional.

I do not understand this comment.

You seem to have a great fit and your singleton looks like it is working.

This may have started "like a fairly minimum 1♣".

Do you ever revalue your hand?

With regard to "looking for something truly exceptional" the bidding makes it likely that partner has his values outside of spades and there are only 12 HCP left there.

Would that really be exceptional?

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

I do not understand this comment.

You seem to have a great fit and your singleton looks like it is working.

This may have started "like a fairly minimum 1♣".

Do you ever revalue your hand?

With regard to "looking for something truly exceptional" the bidding makes it likely that partner has his values outside of spades and there are only 12 HCP left there.

Would that really be exceptional?

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

Slam is pretty unlikely to be better than a finesse, I have 14 working points most likely. Partner needs 2 aces and if one of them is spades, a singleton or void in hearts. As it is the slam is decent but not brilliant purely because partner has J♦ rather than J♠.