ArtK78 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I was faced with this problem on a hand from the ACBL Instant Matchpoint Pairs earlier tonight. Nonvul vs. Vul, second seat, you hold: QxxT9xT7xxxAx The bidding:(P) - P - (1♠) - x(P) - 2♦ - (P) - 3♣(P) - ? You are playing a light opening system, so your pass in second seat shows less than 10 HCP. Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 my options are pass or 3nt as a nonexpert I will try pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Definitely 3NT. Double then bid should be a pretty good hand, especially when that bid is three of a minor. A weaker style is possible but it makes the game very difficult if I am supposed to pass when I have this much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Definitely 3NT. Double then bid should be a pretty good hand, especially when that bid is three of a minor. A weaker style is possible but it makes the game very difficult if I am supposed to pass when I have this much. you claim you have this much....what does pard assume you have? based on your logic much less /for me pard should assume I have this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3N looks perfect and obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3NT Some reasons in random order.. I am at the top of my 0-8 HCP range opposite a game invitation => bid game.I have a spade stop.Partner is supposed to have a really nice hand with something like 18-21 HCPs.I have Ax in partner's suit, solidifying partner's club suit and giving me an entry.RHO does not have an entry to attack the spade suit through me. I have time to develop tricks, unless LHO will start by giving me a spade trick. How can one not bid 3NT? Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 you claim you have this much....what does pard assume you have? based on your logic much less /for me pard should assume I have this.. Partner knows I might have xxx, xxx, xxxx, xxx and probably assumes I have a 3 or 4 count. For us a 2♣ overcall can be a fine hand, so bidding like this shows a really big one and 3N is a complete no brainer. Also lead round to my Q♠ is probably a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Partner knows I might have xxx, xxx, xxxx, xxx and probably assumes I have a 3 or 4 count. For us a 2♣ overcall can be a fine hand, so bidding like this shows a really big one and 3N is a complete no brainer. Also lead round to my Q♠ is probably a good thing. ok why does pard assume 3-4 ? fwiw I thought pard assumes a bit more on this auction. I wouid'But I guess that is the entire issue on this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3♠ or 3NT, I would go with 3NT since I expect Qxx to be a stopper reasonably enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 ok why does pard assume 3-4 ? fwiw I thought pard assumes a bit more on this auction. I wouid'But I guess that is the entire issue on this deal.No it is not, and I think that is the wrong question to ask. Partner assumes nothing, but knows that you are unlikely to hold a yarborough even when he has a good hand. Better to ask what partner shows. Partner shows a strong hand with long clubs starting from about 19+ (including distribution). Partner was not looking for notrump, because he needs something in spades and clubs. He is missing the ♣A!If all your points were in the red suits you might pass. It looks as if playing 3NT from this side has on average as much chances to make than 3♣ from partner's side. Clubs will very likely play for no loser.Given the bidding (no spade raise) even if partner can not contribute anything in spades, chances are good that opening leader will hold both top spades.In fact when spade were not raised, chances are that 3♣ might suffer from spade ruffs. The ♠Q is likely to be worthless in 3♣ and if it is not, than your combined spade holding must be very comfortable for 3NT. Rainer Herrmann 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 No it is not, and I think that is the wrong question to ask. Partner assumes nothing, but knows that you are unlikely to hold a yarborough even when he has a good hand. Better to ask what partner shows. Partner shows a strong hand with long clubs starting from about 19+ (including distribution). Partner was not looking for notrump, because he needs something in spades and clubs. He is missing the ♣A!If all your points were in the red suits you might pass. It looks as if playing 3NT from this side has on average as much chances to make than 3♣ from partner's side. Clubs will very likely play for no loser.Given the bidding (no spade raise) even if partner can not contribute anything in spades, chances are good that opening leader will hold both top spades.In fact when spade were not raised, chances are that 3♣ might suffer from spade ruffs. The ♠Q is likely to be worthless in 3♣ and if it is not, than your combined spade holding must be very comfortable for 3NT. Rainer HerrmannGood response, and we'd still be overcalling 2♣ with 19 including distribution, I'm expecting 20 HCP and 6 clubs unless there's a lot of shape but this is an extreme view. And with me expecting partner to hold 20, opener to hold say 12-13, 3-4 is half the rest which is what I assume for my hand. If the top limit of your overcall is lower, adjust up for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 A spade stopper and the Ace to flesh out pard's clubs make 3N seem straightforward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If the ♠Q is worth anything, it is at NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If the ♠Q is worth anything, it is at NT PLAYED FROM MY SIDE. FYP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 OK. Apparently this is a lot more obvious than I thought. I passed 3♣, and it was very wrong. I think that 3♠ is probably the right bid in case partner's big hand is short in spades. There is no guarantee that LHO has the AK of spades, and there is no guarantee that RHO has no entry. It may be right to bid 3NT on the assumption that Qxx is enough to stop the suit, but that is not clear. As it turns out, partner has Kx of spades, and 3NT is trivial. The only question is whether to try for an overtrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3S will torture partner, who will wonder if all you need is a spade stop ( perhaps your spades are xxx ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 OK. Apparently this is a lot more obvious than I thought. I passed 3♣, and it was very wrong. I think that 3♠ is probably the right bid in case partner's big hand is short in spades. There is no guarantee that LHO has the AK of spades, and there is no guarantee that RHO has no entry. It may be right to bid 3NT on the assumption that Qxx is enough to stop the suit, but that is not clear. As it turns out, partner has Kx of spades, and 3NT is trivial. The only question is whether to try for an overtrick. I think 3S is the best bid to get the hand right-sided - partner needs to bid 3N on Kx of spades. edit: this was my response before I read your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3S is a horrible bid for all the reasons given above, mostly by rhm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3S is a horrible bid for all the reasons given above, mostly by rhm. Kx, QJ10, AQ, KQJxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Kx, QJ10, AQ, KQJxxx 3NT is fine from either side, particularly with two heart tens. Change it to xx, AQx, AQ, KQJxxx and 3♠ gets us to a magnificent 4♣ potentially down one with 3NT making. 3♠ = 4 even on the Nige scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think that 3♠ is probably the right bid in case partner's big hand is short in spades. The risk of going above a making 3NT is too great, did you notice opponent's silence? it really makes partner a big underdog for spade shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 3NT is fine from either side, particularly with two heart tens. Change it to xx, AQx, AQ, KQJxxx and 3♠ gets us to a magnificent 4♣ potentially down one with 3NT making. 3♠ = 4 even on the Nige scale. If 3N is making with xx opposite Qxx, it doesn't matter what side plays it. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 If 3N is making with xx opposite Qxx, it doesn't matter what side plays it. B-)Spade lead through the queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 AKTxxx, or AKJxxxx, would beg to differ. And that ain't all that unlikely given that we're opening-18+-pass-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 3NT is fine from either side, particularly with two heart tens. Change it to xx, AQx, AQ, KQJxxx and 3♠ gets us to a magnificent 4♣ potentially down one with 3NT making. 3♠ = 4 even on the Nige scale. You want it from partners side because a spade lead makes the heart finesse too risky. I held this hand and heard 3 passes and opened 1♣ instead of 2nt. We got to 3nt with no opponent bidding but played from partners side. On the spade lead partner made 9 tricks for a bad score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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