eagles123 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 we are dealer r/r mps 854AT8743QJT9- Thanks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 This hand has so much potential, I don't like 2♥ at all, but I might open 3♥ once in a while. Ace empty is not good, nor the 3 spades. Its not hard to imagine that we cross ruff in their 4♠. Pass is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Those that like to open this type of hand a weak 2 haveall sorts of competitive bidding problems since your weak2 range is so huge your p will be helpless to make anyrational decision (and thats mostly why we play this game). Pass And your hearts stink vulnerable:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 If you reverse the black suits I'm in as a now or never chance but I'll consider it very unlucky if I can't make a better descriptive bid after having passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 If playing Muiderberg I am tempted. Otherwise no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 we are dealer r/r mps 854AT8743QJT9- Thanks, Eagles I would cheerfully pass this hand with a clear conscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'll open 2♥. It may go wrong when partner has heart shortage or we could end up too low if partner has a heart fit and not much in clubs. The purists may prefer pass but I like to preempt and the hand is not wildly atypical for a weak two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenG Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 2♥ for me too. Whatever others here think, you'll be very much with the field in an English club, and that's normally a safe place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 2♥ for me too. Whatever others here think, you'll be very much with the field in an English club, and that's normally a safe place to be.I don't think I want to be with the field in a situation where both partner and I disagree with the field, no matter where I might be visiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenG Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 I don't think I want to be with the field in a situation where both partner and I disagree with the field, no matter where I might be visiting.Well, I've tried modifying my style on this type of weak 2, because of what experts say in this forum. The result?? A lot of 0% boards. No thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 2♥ for me too I would also open 2♥ when red vs white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Pass - wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I think I'll go with the passers. If I am on lead against their 4♠ I plan to lead the ♦Q. If partner is on lead against their 4♠ I certainly don't want to talk him out of leading a club. If the auction dies lower, I can come in. Maybe we belong in 4♥, and maybe we still get there if I pass. Anyway, my call, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSClyde Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 2♥, always. Yes you could miss a diamond slam or a spade contract, but there is more to bidding than just being constructive, there's preempting the opponents. Pass is pretty easy to bid over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 It's just a style thing. For me and my partner 2H would be fine - the suit isn't great, but the overall hand is easily good enough, given the nice shape and side suit. True, we might get lucky and hear something like (1C)-1D-(1S). But if partner passes over LHO's opening bid, we're now having to show our hand at the 3-level instead of at the 2-level or risk missing something in a red suit, and I'm not convinced we're good enough for that. 2H gets it off our chest in one go, and might net you -100 vs -110 or even making opposite some weak NTs where partner couldn't get in otherwise. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 True, we might get lucky and hear something like (1C)-1D-(1S). But if partner passes over LHO's opening bid, we're now having to show our hand at the 3-level instead of at the 2-level or risk missing something in a red suit, and I'm not convinced we're good enough for that. 2H gets it off our chest in one go, and might net you -100 vs -110 or even making opposite some weak NTs where partner couldn't get in otherwise.There is also the possibility that you won't want to "show" your hand later. It is a given that you never "have to" do something at the 3-level. After, say, P (1S) P (2S) --the only case where we would want to do something at the 3-level without Partner yet contributing --3H is a great pre-balance and fully law-protected. Partner might even gain by figuring out you didn't have a 2H opening because you hold what you hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 There is also the possibility that you won't want to "show" your hand later. It is a given that you never "have to" do something at the 3-level. After, say, P (1S) P (2S) --the only case where we would want to do something at the 3-level without Partner yet contributing --3H is a great pre-balance and fully law-protected. Partner might even gain by figuring out you didn't have a 2H opening because you hold what you hold. Know your partner. Mine is very good at divining such things and we gain big time when I pass first and send the decision back to her with a later bid. She also balances like a bandit so we almost never miss our own contract by passing on hands like this. Not a mainstream partnership by any means but I'm the catcher and she's the pitcher on hands like this and the style plays to my partners strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Agree w Fluffy. Not my style to open 2H with this. Pass is normal, but if you made me open, or if I was feeling really frisky, I'd open 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Depends on the day and partnership. I don't have strong feelings about this personally, but when I was tracking preempts, I found that preempting hands with 1 flaw was a big winner, and preempting hands with 2+ flaws was a big loser when I preempted 1st & 2nd seat. In my limited study of my own results, flaws were counted for bad suit quality/unusual suit length, outside first round controls (aces or voids), and outside 4 card majors. I consider the bad suit and the void to be two flaws in terms of preempting, so I might be able to talk myself into passing, despite my natural inclination to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Depends on the day and partnership. I don't have strong feelings about this personally, but when I was tracking preempts, I found that preempting hands with 1 flaw was a big winner, and preempting hands with 2+ flaws was a big loser when I preempted 1st & 2nd seat. In my limited study of my own results, flaws were counted for bad suit quality/unusual suit length, outside first round controls (aces or voids), and outside 4 card majors. I consider the bad suit and the void to be two flaws in terms of preempting, so I might be able to talk myself into passing, despite my natural inclination to bid.I assume you just stopped counting at two flaws. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I assume you just stopped counting at two flaws. :rolleyes: It has two flaws by my count: Poor suit quality, and a first round control outside of my suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Easy 2♥ for me; might open 3♥ if NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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