lenze Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Playing IMP's (Swiss Teams), How would you and your partner bid these cards (no interference)? South Deals: NorthS AKQ64H Q4D AJ9854C VOID SouthS 72H AK5D KT76C Q863 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Not playing Voidwood, Kickback, etc.: 1D2D Inverted Minors (holy cow!)3D Min, but with 4 diamonds3S Cue4H Cue 5C will probably push auction past 5D, so6D No guts, no glory Interesting to see how this will be bid with better methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 NorthS AKQ64H Q4D AJ9854C VOID SouthS 72H AK5D KT76C Q863 German-Moscito auction:South North1d(1) 1h(2)1n(3) 2c(2)2d(4) 2h(2)2n(5) 4c(6)4s(7) 7d (8) (1) 10-14 no 4M(2) Relay(3) Minimum balanced (10-12)(4) 44 in the minors(5) Exactly 2-3-4-4(6) Controls without counting the club suit?(7) 4(8) Thank you very much The Chamaleon auction1n (1) 2c (2)2d(3) 2s(2)3h(4) 3s(5)4d(6) 4h(7)4n(8) ? (1) 11-14 balancd(2) Relay(3) No 4M(4) 2-3-4-4(5) Controls?(6) 4(7) Where?(8) One in diammonds, 0-2 in clubs And now we have a BIG problem, no way to know if opener has AK of clubs or AK of hearts. So we have to guess in this system what to do between 5d or 7d. :-). Poor Chameleon A weak-nt auction 1n(1) 2h(2)2s 3d3h(3) 5c(4)5s(5) 6d (1) 12-14(2) Xfer(3) D support and h control(4) Exclusion RKCB(5) 2 Key cards excluding clubs Another weak-nt auction 1nt 2n(1)3c(2) 3s3n 4c4h 4s4n 6c(3)6d (1) xfer to diammonds(2) I like diammonds(3) 2 with a club void A strong NT auction with inv min assuming 1d 4+ diammonds1d 2d (1)2h 2s2n 3s3n 4d4h 4n5h 7d Interesting to see how some relay systems may have a problem here. Natural methods have a lot of problems here and only a Inverted-Minors sequence can lead to success finding pd with 4d and hA + hA. Note that if 1d opening does not promise 4 cards you have problems knowing the missing dQ (!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Easy in my 2/1 sys, with most popular gadgets. South North1D 1S1NT 2C2D 3D3H 3S3NT 4C4H ?? 1D:guarantee 4-cd suit; we'd open 1C with 44322C:nmf2D:no major3D:buidling a forcing fit3H, 3S:first cue3NT:I have minimum4C:first cue4H:second cueI'm kind of stuck here now because North only concern is whether South's diamonds headed with Qxxx or Kxxx.GSF can't tell. So North probably would have to carry on cuebidding. Alternatively, a better option is, North can launch 5C right after 3H, exclusion RKC; after learning 2 keycards, create a 7-try bid(must be asking the K of hearts). South accepts because of the useful K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Can North be creative? What about responding 1H over 1D opening? (since North desparately wants to know South's holding in red suits) That way, later North can afford to RKC in hearts, hence, checking keycards and useful minor K's on the way. Hehe, just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Easy in my 2/1 sys, with most popular gadgets. South North1D 1S1NT 2C2D 3D3H 3S3NT 4C4H ?? 1D:guarantee 4-cd suit; we'd open 1C with 44322C:nmf2D:no major3D:buidling a forcing fit3H, 3S:first cue3NT:I have minimum4C:first cue4H:second cueI'm kind of stuck here now because North only concern is whether South's diamonds headed with Qxxx or Kxxx.GSF can't tell. So North probably would have to carry on cuebidding. Alternatively, a better option is, North can launch 5C right after 3H, exclusion RKC; after learning 2 keycards, create a 7-try bid(must be asking the K of hearts). South accepts because of the useful K. May I recommend you a simple convention for your bag?Use 5NT Josephine with step responses. When a fit is stablisheda direct 5NT bid without a previous 4NT asks to bid 7 with 3 honors or step-responses:6c = 0 honors in trump suit6d = 1 honor in trump suit6h = 2 honors in trump suit7x = 3 honors In this case after 5NT-6d you can bid 7. Note that this is only because you know that pd has 4 diammonds. If we reverse clubs and diammonds on both hands I think we have a serious problem. Do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Hi luis:the problem is, with Qxxx and Kxxx in diamonds, South's answer to GSF is the same. He has one honor, so how can you tell if it's the Q or the K? That's why I don't think 5NT by North will do the job here. I certainly won't mind 5NT by South because North would reply two honors. Kind Regards Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Oooops you are right I forgot we need to determine if he has the Q or the K. As Ben says I'm mentally blocked today hehe. And I don't think opener can bid 5nt because he doesn't know about the solid spades, club void, etc. I don't think we can have a solution for this hand using standard methods unless 1d shows 4+ cards and north can use exclusion blackwood. If so then a simple 1d-5c bid does all the job :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenze Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I appreciate the input, but it seems a natural system works quite well. South –1 Club – Why open 1 Diamond when you plan to re-bid 1NT over 1 Spade?North – 2 Diamonds – I have a good hand with a diamond suitSouth – 3 Diamonds – I can live with diamondsNorth – 3 Spades – I have something in spadesSouth – 3NT – I really have hearts stoppedNorth – 4 Diamonds – Really interested in Diamond slamSouth – I have the Ace of HeartsNorth – 4 Spades – I have the Ace of SpadesSouth – 5 Hearts – I have the King of HeartsNorth – 5 NT – Do you have 2 of the top three honors?South – 7 Diamonds - No, but I have the King with extra diamond length for my bids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 South Deals: NorthS AKQ64H Q4D AJ9854C VOID SouthS 72H AK5D KT76C Q863 Two options for north. At matchpoints, you want the option of getting easily into spades, so you would respond 1S to 1D. The bidding would then be.... 1D 1S1NT 2D (2D part of two way checkbk, gf)2NT 3D (3D = let's consider D's)3H 3S (3H=cue, 3S=cue)3NT 4H (4H = rkc, 5c = 2 without Q)5C 5H (5H= specific king ask5N 7D (5NT = heart king)Pass What north knows: 2NT over 2D = no 4 card heart suit, no 3 card spade support, so at least 4D's. Over 3D-3H and 3S are cue-bid, and south runs out of gas, so no club ace. 4H is RKC ala kantar (see www.kantarbridge.com for more). 5C shows two with no trump queen. 5H is specific king ask (again see kantar's page), 5NT = heart king. Partner as heart AK, Diamond K, four or more diamonds, no diamond queen. But as north, I am thinking slam from the opening bid... so other than at matchpoints, I wouldn't worry about introducing spades naturally. I play 2D, not only inverted, but also game force ... 1D 2D2H 2S 2H = something in hearts for NT2N 3D3H 3S4D 4H (4H = Roman key card)5C 5H (5H = specific king ask)5N 7D (5N = heart king, no spade king)Pass Same knowledge as first auction. Over 2D, partner bids 2H showing some values in hearts (not a reverse). 2S shows values (3S also attractive alternative as a real reverse). 2NT clubs stuff... 3D want to play suit, 3H cue-bid, 3S cue-bid, 4D (or 3NT)... can't cue-bid in clubs, 4H again RKC, 5C = two without the queen. Now the logic from above applies. Ben PS... it occurs to me someone might ask if 1D-2D is game force, what do you do with diamond support and game invitational stregth? I play criss-cross.... 1D-3C is good limit raise in diamonds1C-2D is good limit raise in clubs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I appreciate the input, but it seems a natural system works quite well. South –1 Club – Why open 1 Diamond when you plan to re-bid 1NT over 1 Spade?North – 2 Diamonds – I have a good hand with a diamond suitSouth – 3 Diamonds – I can live with diamondsNorth – 3 Spades – I have something in spadesSouth – 3NT – I really have hearts stoppedNorth – 4 Diamonds – Really interested in Diamond slamSouth – I have the Ace of HeartsNorth – 4 Spades – I have the Ace of SpadesSouth – 5 Hearts – I have the King of HeartsNorth – 5 NT – Do you have 2 of the top three honors?South – 7 Diamonds - No, but I have the King with extra diamond length for my bids In your dreams!With all my respect this auction is comic... North – 5 NT – Do you have 2 of the top three honors?South – 7 Diamonds - No, but I have the King with extra diamond length Result: 7d down 1, postmortem: North: "I'm missing the trump Ace in 7 diammonds if 5nt asks you to bid 7 with 2 honors why the hell do you bid 7 with one?" South: "Sorry, I read about a hand in the forums...."North: "Can't you see we are not in the forums now? Bid like a normal person"South: "If I bid like a normal person those guys playing Moscito laugh at my system in the forums"North: "Please forget the forums!"West: "I'm gonna lead the dA and concede to prevent a revoke" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenze Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Luis wrote:In your dreams!With all my respect this auction is comic... Quote: North – 5 NT – Do you have 2 of the top three honors?South – 7 Diamonds - No, but I have the King with extra diamond length Result: 7d down 1, postmortem: North: "I'm missing the trump Ace in 7 diammonds if 5nt asks you to bid 7 with 2 honors why the hell do you bid 7 with one?" South: "Sorry, I read about a hand in the forums...."North: "Can't you see we are not in the forums now? Bid like a normal person"South: "If I bid like a normal person those guys playing Moscito laugh at my system in the forums"North: "Please forget the forums!"West: "I'm gonna lead the dA and concede to prevent a revoke" Luis, I admit this is a slim possibility, but do you really think North would jump shift and bid that strongly on a Q high suit? Not my partner!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 1D 1S1NT 2D (2D part of two way checkbk, gf)2NT 3D (3D = let's consider D's)3H 3S (3H=cue, 3S=cue)3NT 4H (4H = rkc, 5c = 2 without Q)5C 5H (5H= specific king ask5N 7D (5NT = heart king)Pass I'm mentally blocked but you just produced another "forced" unrealistic auction to the contract that makes North's handxx, AKx, xxxx, AQxx 2 without the Q = checkedSpecific king: Heart king = checked How do you know opener's key card is the dK and not the cA ? Magic? Nah! You know the 2 hands!!! Result: Down 1 I'm not 100% mentally blocked!!!! Someone will post something like this soon: 1d 1h (1)2d (2) 3d (3)3h (4) 3s (5)4h (6) 4s (7)5d (8) 5n (9)6d (10) 7d (11) (1) I know 7d makes so lets start cheap(2) I must tell him I don't have only 3 diammonds(3) Support , he can't pass because we win 7d(4) I have the heart ace (we never bid 3h with QJT showing a stopper in hands where 7d makes)(5) Time to bid a AKQxx suit, we never try to play in an AKQxx suit if we win 7m(6) Exactly the heart king(7) Cuebid (8) Something in diammonds(9) What? What do you have in diammonds?(10) The King (6c=queen, 6d=king, 6h=Ace) (11) The right contract!!! we did it!!!!! Credits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 NorthS AKQ64H Q4D AJ9854C VOID SouthS 72H AK5D KT76C Q863 Since I gave an ultimate auction on an earlier hand, I thought, ok, I would give one on this one too. Here ultimate club runs into a problem if relays are used... 1D - 2C (2C = artificial (duh) game force)2D - 2H (2D = no singleton or void, 2H relay)2S - 2N (2S = 4333, 5332, or 4432 pattern)3S - 4C (3S = 2-3-4-4 specifically, 4C controls?)4H - 4S (4H = 4 controls, 4S deny cue bid start)4NT - 5C (4nt denys spade AK or show S-AK, 5C = dca)5H - ???? (5H shows diamond A or K, and denies or shows both heart honors) Responder now knows that opener is either xxAKxKxxxQxxx or xxxxxKxxxAKQx Since he can't backup and play 5Diamonds, in for a penny in for a pound, he will bid 7Diamonds and hope the for the former not the latter. Not a very satisfying experience, but gets lucky this time. This where are the controls have cropped up a couple time in denial cue-bidding... seems like with a void and a suit with neither A or K, is when it happens. So, if you wanted to avoid such sillyness, playing ultimate club, you have to forgo the full relay, and break the chain over 2D.... with a game forcing 2S or 3D rebid. The auction will be based upon cuebidding from then. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Luis, I admit this is a slim possibility, but do you really think North would jump shift and bid that strongly on a Q high suit? Not my partner!!! Cmon, are you really bidding 7d when your pd asked you to bid 7 with 2 honors? Why is he asking? What can he do with: AKQJxQxQJxxxx- We can't just invent auctions to justify we would reach 7d look at my 1st post I have a terrible problem playing the Chamaleon, a relay system because we can't know if pd has AK of hearts or AK of clubs (!) and I admit it.... Accept the facts you won't reach 7d wihout Exclusion Blackwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenze Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Luis, I admit this is a slim possibility, but do you really think North would jump shift and bid that strongly on a Q high suit? Not my partner!!! Cmon, are you really bidding 7d when your pd asked you to bid 7 with 2 honors? Why is he asking? What can he do with: AKQJxQxQJxxxx We can't just invent auctions to justify we would reach 7d look at my 1st post I have a terrible problem playing the Chamaleon, a relay system because we can't know if pd has AK of hearts or AK of clubs (!) and I admit it.... Accept the facts you won't reach 7d wihout Exclusion Blackwood. With this hand, I would expect him to bid 5 Spades(or6 Clubs) over 5 Hearts, putting the ball back in my court (Plus, I don't think he would have made the original jump shift with this hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Let's try my imaginative line. South North1D 1H1NT 2C2H 5C5S 5NT6D 7D...... postmortem:South:1D, as promised, 4-cd suitNorth: 1H, aka, a Zian, I'm being creativeNorth: 2C, nmfSouth: 2H, 3-cd supportNorth: 5C, cool, now I'm only concerned about keycards in hearts, you would respond 5D with 0 so we will play there would ya? and thx God we ain't playing 1430.South: 5S, 2 withoutNorth: 5NT, any K?South: 6D, I have K of diamondsNorth: 7D!!!Great! I've done it! This gotta be Romex Auction of the year. I can't wait to see IBPA put my name and picture on their headline. (And the rest of the story)South: 7H, sorry, I don't know what you are doing but...you did show hearts 1st time did you?North: !@#$%^&. What a hopeless player. 7S. Let's hope spades break 3-3.West: sorry guys, I have a spade stack and the Ace of clubs. I'm on lead and I'm not afraid of you running to 7NT coz I would be on lead again......where is that red card in my bidding box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I'm mentally blocked but you just produced another "forced" unrealistic auction to the contract that makes Oh... and Luis, I said you were mentally blocked on one hand (the other one from today) because you kept insisting that your auction was the only one you knew the grand was cold on.... when in fact, several standard auction provided exactly the same information you got from your 15 bid auction. Your "block" was you refused to accept that standard provided the same information. It wasn't that you were blocked on everything... i limited it to that one hand... North's handxx, AKx, xxxx, AQxx 2 without the Q = checkedSpecific king: Heart king = checked How do you know opener's key card is the dK and not the cA ? Magic? Nah! You know the 2 hands!!! Result: Down 1 I'm not 100% mentally blocked!!!! Luis, no wonder you gave up standard for mosquito, you don't know how to bid standard. :) There is no way on god's green earth partner can hold the hand you dreamed up for my auction.... xxAKxxxxxAQxx For not one, not two, but three separate reasons. First, you do not open this hand 1D, but rather 1C. See either my first post of Fred's only post in the 1c or 1d opening thread...http://forums.bridgebase.com/in...msg3421#msg3421 http://forums.bridgebase.com/in...d=164;user=fred Second, if my partner, having lost his mind and opened 1D instead of the correct 1C, the bidding would have continued... 1D - 1S1N - 2D (2D game force)2N - 3D (real diamond fit)3N - (3D with all my stuff point, every single one in the other two suits, partner will have to drag me kicking and screaming to slam... I am not going to encourage. Besides, he may only be looking for good club stoppers for 3NT and I have them) That is, partner would not be cue-bidding with AK of hearts, AQ of clubs, and not a single face card in either of our suit. However, even if partner stubbornly opened 1D instead of 1C and then insist on cue-bidding 3H over 3D with the hand in question... he still can't go wrong...as now over the 3S cue bid he can't change his mind and retreat to 3NT. He has to continue and cue-bid his club control with 4C's. Now the cat is out of the bag and one still avoids the grand slam. 1D - 1S1N - 2D2N - 3D3H - 3S4C - And know you know about the wasted diamond card. So your theoretical hand is flawed not once, not twice, but three times. Opener simply can not possibly have that hand in standard auction. Since you play he can, it is no wonder you need you need relays and the such to keep your auctions straight. :) :) :D Even a fair partner will open yoru hypothetical hand 1C, and even a bad partner will bail to 3NT over 3D, and no partner will a) open 1D, then make a positive cue bid of 3H, and then revert to 3NT. Your suggest hand simply is not possible...but it was a hoot to read. Perhaps you equate bad bidding by novices playing SAYC with natural bidding using 2/1 with cool tools? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Playing IMP's (Swiss Teams), How would you and your partner bid these cards (no interference)? South Deals: NorthS AKQ64H Q4D AJ9854C VOID SouthS 72H AK5D KT76C Q863 A natural auction, would go 1D 2S2NT 3D3H 3S4H 4NT5H 7D 2NT is natural and denies Spades support3H, 3S, 4H are a control bid for D4NT is RKB5H shows 2 keycards, no DQ This is a rare auction where you can Blackwood with a void, because partner has already denied CA. It is harder if you don't have the strong jump shift in an otherwise natural system, but if you play some sort of checkback you should reach it. e.g. using two-way checkback 1D 1S1NT 2D2NT 3Detc 2D is any GF2NT denies 3S and 4H3D sets D as trumps Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 NTC v 2.50 AKQ64 72Q4 AK5AJ9854 KT76- Q863 1SP(10-17,5+) 2CL(12+,R)3CL(14-17,5-5+DI/6+-4DI 3DI®3SP: 5+-5+, void CL 4CL: NAB4HE: A/K DI, 0/AK SP 4SP: NAB4NT: 0/AK HE 5CL: NAB5HE: 1A (DI) 5SP: NAB6HE: Q or +1 DI, Q SP, QHE 7DI: To play Sorry if i bid it with opening from wrong side, now bids from other one ( not so different, hehe ). - 1DI(10-17, 2+)2HE: g/s try, 5+SP 2SP: 10-133CL: g/s try, 5+SP-5+DI 3DI: fit3SP: s try, void CL 4CL: NAB... same bids continue, look above Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 This threat has a second live, so I would leik to add some comments too: Ben:"Even a fair partner will open yoru hypothetical hand 1C".Not if he is from the old Europe. We learn to open ANY hand with 2344 and the matching HCPs 1 Diamond. MAYBE we have the freedom to change our mind with D 2345 and C AKQJ OR in third hand to give a lead directing bid. And this is not a discussion about the why and what is better, it is just the way it is taught. Eric:"A natural auction, would go 1D 2S2NT 3D" After this start, looking in my hand, (and forgetting, that 2 Spade is a weak jump quite often..),I KNOW, that spades will be trump, because I got to know, that a strong jump shift sets the trump suit and I even have small support!So, 3 Diamond is a cuebid without a club control and I jump to 4 Spade.IF you can find a serious way to 7 Diamond from there, good luck. I agree, that your way will work, if pd understands the bids like you do. But then, better don`t play with me, because I had not. :) Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Hi Roland, I said in my post in the 1c-or-1D thread I provided a link to that I open 1C with 4-4 in the minors about 15% of the time. The reason I do so is very strong club, very weak diamond, short spades. This is the hand. Fred said he tends to open 1D with this pattern, but that he would open 1C about 10% of the time. So just because you are 4-4 in the minors doesn't mean you HAVE TO open 1D. Having said that, even if you do open 1D, what do you bid on the auction Luis was proposing.... 1D-1S1N-2D (2D = game force)2N-3D (2N = no 3 card spade, no 4hearts, 3D=natural) Don't you bid 3NT... with xx AKx xxxx AQxx ?Of course you do, and that is the point (well, point two). As for the strong jump shift, Eric is absolutely right. Most who still play strong jump shifts use them show one of two types of hands. A one-suited hand that can play opposite a singleton, or a two suited hand with strong support for partners first suit. So after 1D-2S-2NT-3D <<--- this cancels spades as trumps (any other rebid but 3D, and spades would be trumps) and sets diamonds as trumps. I myself use fit jumps, so two spades is out the question for me. But after 1D-2S, 2NT-3D, Eric's auction effectively finds the HEART AK, no club ace, and blackwood does the rest. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 NTC v 2.50 AKQ64 72Q4 AK5AJ9854 KT76- Q863 1SP(10-17,5+) 2CL(12+,R)3CL(14-17,5-5+DI/6+-4DI 3DI®3SP: 5+-5+, void CL 4CL: NAB4HE: A/K DI, 0/AK SP 4SP: NAB4NT: 0/AK HE 5CL: NAB5HE: 1A (DI) 5SP: NAB6HE: Q or +1 DI, Q SP, QHE 7DI: To play Misho Misho.. nice auction.. but you had the wrong hand open. The hand with short spades bids first. How to bid the hand with north opening is a whole additional can of worms. I believe I would open 1D planning on bidding spades twice after that to show 6-5 distribution. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 A natural auction, would go 1D 2S2NT 3D3H 3S4H 4NT5H 7D I challenge you to sit down your best 10 natural bidding pairs and see if they can reproduce this sequence. I'm really having a lot of fun reading "forced" creations to reach 7d. You setup spades as trumps, then bid diammonds and pretend to play in that suit. Furthermore note how opener bids 3h and 4h with AKx never never considering bidding 3nt with Q863 of clubs, then you """know""" he can't have the club ace... So you do bid 3nt with Axxx but not with Qxxx or after 1m-2M you never play 3NT because you have to cuebid all your honors and you always pass the 3nt level..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 However, even if partner stubbornly opened 1D instead of 1C and then insist on cue-bidding 3H over 3D with the hand in question... he still can't go wrong...as now over the 3S cue bid he can't change his mind and retreat to 3NT. He has to continue and cue-bid his club control with 4C's. Now the cat is out of the bag and one still avoids the grand slam. Ben.... Ben..... Ben......Your pd WILL bid 3NT because he has the clubs stopped and he will bid 3h because he has the hearts stopped. When in your multi-succesful-tight-fitting sequence did you say you are not interested in game in no trumps? How does opener know you are looking for a slam and not for a simple 3nt game if all suits are stopped? He won't cuebid 4c, he will bid 3NT and you will end up in 6d because you won't risk bidding 7d without knowing if the 2nd keycard is the cA or the dK. I'll be collecting this hands, I'm sure you will produce the same sequence to two different contracts some day :-) Anyway I want to say that I'm having a lot of fun with this thread, it's both instructive and fun.... Now a challenge for you Ben: swap diammonds and clubs in both hands and show me your "natural" sequence to 7 clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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