benlessard Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sakt32hk53daj3c75&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp3c]133|200[/hv] IMPs My vote only got 130 out of 390.. ? While I was expecting something like 66% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 130 votes for pass, 130 for X and 130 for 3♠ looks ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 X looks clear to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 3♠. The suit is too good - with a worse suit I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Definitely 3♠ for me, with such clear disparity in both suit length and strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I would bid 3♠, with double as a second choice. Pass is too wimpy to consider, but it might be the winning action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 The reason I don't like 3♠ is that we can never play 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?If one were to double, it would be with the intention of passing 3 of a red suit. I would think that double followed by 3♠ would show a much stronger hand rather than any sort of flexible hand with primary spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?FWIW: my view is that double then 3♠ shows more spades and more hand: AK109xx AQx Axx x seems prototypical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?I think you need more hand, contrary to mikeh I'm happy with these spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 3♠ here. Partner bidding 3♥ over double with 4-4 (or 3-4) in the majors is too annoying to contemplate but if you reverse my majors I'll double. Still risky on certain shapes but fewer of them. Pass is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Because it is in this forum, I assume the poll was of experts. But, I don't know what pool of experts was polled. Just sitting back in my chair and starting to read the results of such poll, I would expect a significant majority to vote Double, with a very small minority of those doublers choosing further action after 3 red. They might also comment about the good things which could happen if advancer does something other than bid 3-red. To be perfectly clear: I would expect several of those 390 experts to choose 3S, though perhaps not as many as 130. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I don't feel strongly about 3S or double, either could work. Personally I would double today, but might feel differently tomorrow. I also think double then 3S shows more of a hand, not necessarily more spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I don't feel strongly about 3S or double, either could work. Personally I would double today, but might feel differently tomorrow. I also think double then 3S shows more of a hand, not necessarily more spades.My suggestion of 6=3=3=1 was as a prototypical hand. I would make the same call with shorter, but strong, spades if I held the right hand. AK10xx AQx Axxx x is equally plausible. AK10xx Axx Axx xx is not, at least for me. I actually dislike this example hand: I'd double and possibly miss the best level AND the best strain, playing 3♥ opposite QJx Kxxxx xx xxx. The weaker my hand, the longer my spades, and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I would always bid 3S, def think X then 3S should be more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I would always bid 3S, def think X then 3S should be more Aren't those doubling planning to pass 3♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 3♠. The suit is too good - with a worse suit I would double.ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 My vote only got 130 out of 390.. ? While I was expecting something like 66% you think you have it bad? I chose to pass! *ducks* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 3♠ for me. @OP: As i said in another topic, don't pay much attention to the quantity of votes, pay attention to who voted for what, unless of course voters are coming up with some convincing explanations. I made my own chart for polls in BBF for example, there are 7 posters who i value their vote = 3 points, i have another 5 posters who i value their votes =2 points , i have 4 posters that i value their votes = 0 points and rest gets 1 points. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Three spades seems best. Double followed by three spades shows more. Passing partner's three heart or three diamond response risks playing in a weak 4-3 fit rather than a 5-3 spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 3♠ for me. @OP: As i said in another topic, don't pay much attention to the quantity of votes, pay attention to who voted for what, unless of course voters are coming up with some convincing explanations. I made my own chart for polls in BBF for example, there are 7 posters who i value their vote = 3 points, i have another 5 posters who i value their votes =2 points , i have 4 posters that i value their votes = 0 points and rest gets 1 points. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif I am so curious as to who is on this list now. Oh Timo, leaving cliffhangers.... For what its worth, I do the same on Bridgewinners, making sure I "follow" people with a base of knowledge I really respect. Frequently this means that they have won a national championship (or I know them in real life and want their opinion), but I add and subtract from the list as I see fit based on their other postings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I really was surprised that basically no one chose to pass, even though I knew it wouldn't be a popular choice. Given that partner's range is something like 3-11, how often will we have the values for game? And of those times, how often are we going to get to game after taking whatever action we choose, and of those times how often are we going to get to the right game? That seems like a pretty small number. By taking any action other than pass we're usually ending up in at most an 8-card fit and frequently a 7-card fit, and meanwhile we have a balanced hand with lots of prime values and the opponents are red so how bad can it be to defend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I made my own chart for polls in BBF for example, there are 7 posters who i value their vote = 3 points, i have another 5 posters who i value their votes =2 points , i have 4 posters that i value their votes = 0 points and rest gets 1 points. Phew, at least you don't count my vote as a negative. Yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 3S. If pd doubled I would be mildly surprised but would not criticise. X followed by 3S shows a MUCH better hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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