How to show 0=4=4=5 shape

[SimonFa]

2/1, All red, you deal, opps silent throughout:

 

♠Void ♥KT62 ♥KJ54 ♣AKQJ3

 

1C 1S

??

 

Do you reverse? If so with Diamonds or Hearts and why? If not what are you bidding?

 

Over both partner bids 3 clubs, then what?

 

As always, thanks in advance for your thoughts.

 

Simon

[TWO4BRIDGE]

2/1, All red, you deal, opps silent throughout:

 

♠Void ♥KT62 ♦KJ54 ♣AKQJ3

 

1C 1S

??

 

Do you reverse? If so with Diamonds or Hearts and why? If not what are you bidding?

 

Over both partner bids 3 clubs, then what?

 

As always, thanks in advance for your thoughts.

 

Simon

I expect it to go like this:

1C - 1S

2H - 2S

3D - 3NT

 

.... unless Responder has 4 cards ♥.

[SimonFa]

I expect it to go like this:

1C - 1S

2H - 2S

3D - 3NT

 

.... unless Responder has 4 cards ♥.

 

Don,

 

Over your 2H partner bids 3C.

 

As it happens I bid 2H to leave myself space to bid 3D over the expected 2S bid. The 3C bid threw me a bit.

 

Simon

[steve2005]

Don,

 

Over your 2H partner bids 3C.

 

As it happens I bid 2H to leave myself space to bid 3D over the expected 2S bid. The 3C bid threw me a bit.

 

Simon

Over 3♣ I think you have to punt unless you play something similar to Lebensohl over reverses

 

Does partner have a balanced crap hand? or maybe a nice 8 or 9 pts?

Lebensohl helps with this problem

 

I bid 3♦ and hope if partner has real crap we can stop in 4♣

[mike777]

2/1, All red, you deal, opps silent throughout:

 

♠Void ♥KT62 ♥KJ54 ♣AKQJ3

 

1C 1S

??

 

Do you reverse? If so with Diamonds or Hearts and why? If not what are you bidding?

 

Over both partner bids 3 clubs, then what?

 

As always, thanks in advance for your thoughts.

 

Simon

 

 

yes, 2h

over 3c I rebid 3d, natural for me and gf.

btw what is the range of prds 3c bid? I play it gf so I am looking for slam.

[mikeh]

It is impossible to answer this with any assurance since we have no idea what 3♣ showed. Do we play any artificial responses over the reverse?

 

For me, 3♣ is a positive, gf move with real club support (could be xxx given that I have promised 5+, but won't be a mere 'preference').

 

Otoh, if partner is supposed to bid 3♣ with some 4=3=3=3 near Yarborough, my thinking processes are going to be different.

 

Having said all of that, I would always bid 3♦ simply to mark time. My problem is almost certainly coming on the next round, and that is when having no idea of what 3♣ meant will come home to roost.

 

I think it clear, btw, to reverse into hearts, since we may never find the heart fit below game otherwise, at least I wouldn't. For me, had I reversed into 2♦, partner's 2♥ would be artificial and the notion of bidding 3♥ over that is too horrible to even contemplate. Note that Ingberman will require me to never bid diamonds should he bid 2N over 2♥ so there is no such thing as a no-cost option in these auctions. We are more likely to survive missing diamonds than hearts.

[rhm]

It is impossible to answer this with any assurance since we have no idea what 3♣ showed. Do we play any artificial responses over the reverse?

 

For me, 3♣ is a positive, gf move with real club support (could be xxx given that I have promised 5+, but won't be a mere 'preference').

 

Otoh, if partner is supposed to bid 3♣ with some 4=3=3=3 near Yarborough, my thinking processes are going to be different.

 

Having said all of that, I would always bid 3♦ simply to mark time. My problem is almost certainly coming on the next round, and that is when having no idea of what 3♣ meant will come home to roost.

 

I think it clear, btw, to reverse into hearts, since we may never find the heart fit below game otherwise, at least I wouldn't. For me, had I reversed into 2♦, partner's 2♥ would be artificial and the notion of bidding 3♥ over that is too horrible to even contemplate. Note that Ingberman will require me to never bid diamonds should he bid 2N over 2♥ so there is no such thing as a no-cost option in these auctions. We are more likely to survive missing diamonds than hearts.

If a poster does not say so why should responses be artificial.

Likewise 3♦ is fourth suit and does not hint at this distribution.

I bid 3NT.

This at least hints that I am short in spades. A good player might run from 3NT, in which case chances for slam have improved.

This is not a good hand for natural bidding neither for playing Walsh.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[mgoetze]

2/1, All red, you deal, opps silent throughout:

 

♠Void ♥KT62 ♥KJ54 ♣AKQJ3

I call the director, as it cannot be right that I have two kings of hearts. :P

 

(More seriously, of course I bid 2♥.)