TylerE Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sathaq965d964cq92&w=sqj863ht73dt8caj5&n=sk974hkj2dkj7ct74&e=s52h84daq532ck863&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1dp1h1s1n(Not%20playing%20sup%20x)p2c(NMF)p2hp3hppp]399|300|3H-2, -200[/hv] This was not exactly a winning spot. Matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I can't see anything wrong with what South did, so I blame North for opening and bidding again on that pile of rubbish. ahydra 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 North, twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 North's opening bid was aggressive. If that is part of the partnership's style, fine. But a vul opening on an ace-less 4333 11 count is pretty aggressive. After the 1♠ overcall, North has no reason to bid (not playing support doubles). He should pass. The result is a little unlucky. On a very good day, the NS cards will produce a game in hearts. And it doesn't take a whole lot of luck to make a game in NT (better than hearts on this hand). Still, North bid too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Taken from Bridgewinner: Looking at the Rosenberg-Zia convention card a careful reader may notice: - “We pass 12 balanced HCP vulnerable” Were such methods really worthwhile? What were their benefits? Michael Rosenberg: Not going down 200 (or 300 or 400) in 1N when you could stay out of the auction Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Why blame north exclusively? Once N shows a minimum with 3♥ exactly how many cover cards does S have a right to expect with 5.5 losers in the minors alone?2♥ is declining an invite...what feature in the S hand makes it worth re-inviting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Its hard to know without more info on methods. Is the north hand a normal open for this pair? What is the range for 1nt? What would double or pass show over 1S? Did 2H by opener show a minimum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Normalish 2/1s. The hand is a normal opening for N, but not for S, but S knows N's tendencies.1N should be 11-14ish - normal strong NT openings. Support double not available. 2♥ showed a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Why blame north exclusively? Once N shows a minimum with 3♥ exactly how many cover cards does S have a right to expect with 5.5 losers in the minors alone?2♥ is declining an invite...what feature in the S hand makes it worth re-inviting?What South has is an actual opening hand! And a partner that has taken a free bid (I suspect that only you know why - there certainly was no bridge related reason).What North has is a incurable desire to bid simply because it is his turn!North gets 100% of the blame simply because I dislike such nonsense as 120%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 S knows N's tendencies. 2♥ showed a minimum.Why blame north exclusively? Hm yes, I see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Why blame north exclusively? Once N shows a minimum North shows a minimum that is still an opening bid (which he is not CLOSE to owning) and needs to switch to 10-13 nt openers so his pard can tell when he's just being insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 If 1NT shows any old 11-14, then I think N/S are playing an unbiddable style. Something has to give, so if North wants to open this trash, then switch to a 14-16 NT. Playing a style where 1NT shows at least a good 11, I would just raise 1NT to three (but invite opposite 11-13). I don't see much benefit in checkback on the south hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 If the 11 count bothers everyone so much, give N the J of spades in addition. 2♥ is still pretty much the last making spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 If the 11 count bothers everyone so much, give N the J of spades in addition. 2♥ is still pretty much the last making spot. Then I would expect to play in 3NT down one for a decent board, since 4♥ is going two down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 If the 11 count bothers everyone so much, give N the J of spades in addition. 2♥ is still pretty much the last making spot.On this lie of the cards. 3NT would be a pretty good contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 On this lie of the cards. 3NT would be a pretty good contract. Really Art? EW have 5 top tricks (3♣ and 2♦) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Opening aceless 11 count with 2 jacks and 4-3-3-3 vulnerable is really poor in my opinion. I would open the hand only if we agreed to open all eleven counts. Furthermore as others mentioned it is better to pass 1♠ and not bid 1N. Bidding 1N shows an exceptional stopper (AJx(x) is a minimum requirement) IMO or a maximum hand with an ordinary stopper (Kxx or better). If very agressive openings were agreed I could give 30% to South for bidding 3♥, but still think 1N is far worse than 3♥ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Then I would expect to play in 3NT down one for a decent board, since 4♥ is going two down. How, you have 4 club and 2 diamond losers in 3N. The cards are particularly unkind, swap the J♣ and Q♦ for small ones and you make 3♥. I would treat the N hand as a 10 count and not open it even if I open all 11s, it's horrible (KNR = 9.75). Can S not hope for Kxxx, KJx, xx, KJ10x or similar where you have plenty of chances in 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I've seen so many balanced 11-HCP openers in the last 2 weeks and every time I'm like "why?!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 How, you have 4 club and 2 diamond losers in 3N. On what lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Because in a weak club game like the one here it absolutely slays most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 If the 11 count bothers everyone so much, give N the J of spades in addition. 2♥ is still pretty much the last making spot. The opening just barely causes me to gag - it is tha absurd free bid that makes no sense regardless of opening style. No matter what south expects from the opening, he has every reason to expect a pass with an absolute minimum completely flat hand when N need not strain to keep the bidding open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Because in a weak club game like the one here it absolutely slays most of the time. You are on the wrong track unless your highest ambition in the game is to kill the fish (or club the baby seals as we say up here). The toughest thing to do in club games is play as if your opps know what they are doing but if you can manage it you can aspire to be competitive in better fields. This attitude limits you severely. BTW add the spade Jack and it's STILL not an opening bid in most (ok many) Flight A Regional events unless playing weak notrump which is a system you might like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 North was an idiot. South was optimistic and slightly over-valued his hand. Optimism is often rewarded, idiocy less so. Therefore N gets all the meaningful 'blame' while S shares a little of the 'responsibility'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 On what lead?Theoretically, club to the J, cash A or not, diamond through, then finish clubs. The diamond switch seems unlikely in practice, but off 4 ♣ and ♦A is still -1 off the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.