eagles123 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 [hv=pc=n&e=sk8hajdakqj42c743&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=pp1dp1hp2n]133|200[/hv] I broke the rules on this one in 2 ways, firstly 2NT rebid should be 19-20 and secondly its not a "textbook" balanced hand if you like. My thought was, 1) 3D would be non-forcing whereas 2NT is game forcing and I think we definitely belong in game even if P is really minimum. 2) NT is probably best played from my side due to Kx holding in Spades. Again it worked well (everything seemed to work today, you know when the opps go 6NT - 6 on one of the first boards it's probably gonna be a good day :lol:) but again not sure if the judgement is ok or lucky. Thanks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I think this is a fine call, not crazy. 6322 are semi-balanced and no trump isn't a bad spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Why is the 2NT rebid 19-20? Is your 1NT opening bid 16-18 or 15-18? Even if it is, there is nothing wrong with the 2NT rebid. The alternative is 3♦, and this hand is, at the very least, at the top end of a 3♦ rebid, if not too strong for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 1NT opening bid is 12-14 1NT rebid is 15-18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 If your 2N rebid is 19-20 then 2N describes the hand well. The 1N rebid of 15-18 looks a bit unusual to me. Presumably after 1x-1y-1N you have a Crowhurst style 2♣ bid available to ask further about shape and strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 indeed we do :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I broke the rules on this one in 2 ways, firstly 2NT rebid should be 19-20...and you think this hand is worth 21? I think that's going overboard a bit, 19-20 is a fine evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I bid 3N, shows a running minor + stoppers. 2NT should be reserved for more balanced hands that need partner to provide some tricks. That's not this hand, which is close to making 3N opposite a 0 count with a favorable lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I bit 3N, shows a running minor + stoppers. 2NT should be reserved for more balanced hands that need partner to provide some tricks. That's not this hand, which is close to making 3N opposite a 0 count with a favorable lead.Same for me as a S/A or 2/1 player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I can understand bidding 3NT if you actually have 9 tricks on a favorable lead (which would be true if you had one more diamond and one less club). Here, on a spade lead, you are likely to have 8 tricks with no hope of a ninth opposite the 0 count that you are discussing. I don't see why you want to distort your bidding to show a hand that you don't hold. 2NT is a reasonable (admittedly, not perfect) description of this hand. That is my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 8 tricks is "almost" making 3N. My point is that even any random 5-6 count partner has will likely at least be enough to make opponents find the lead, if it isn't absolutely cold. The 3N bid can't show 9 sure tricks because that's a 2♣ opening, and there is no real point in having two separate sequences for a strong minor one-suiter. That's the point of 1m-foo-3N. It keeps us out of 3N when parter is totally broke...it's the single suited 2♣ opener minus a trick-trick and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think a 19-20 NT is automatic with this if you have it. If 1d/2n is 18-19 (as with a 15-17 nt) I'm worried I have too much and would not take issue if partner opened a 20-21 2N. I think I would still open 1D and rebid 2N, close as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 [hv=pc=n&e=sk8hajdakqj42c743&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=pp1dp1hp2n]133|200[/hv] I broke the rules on this one in 2 ways, firstly 2NT rebid should be 19-20 and secondly its not a "textbook" balanced hand if you like. My thought was, 1) 3D would be non-forcing whereas 2NT is game forcing and I think we definitely belong in game even if P is really minimum. 2) NT is probably best played from my side due to Kx holding in Spades. Again it worked well (everything seemed to work today, you know when the opps go 6NT - 6 on one of the first boards it's probably gonna be a good day :lol:) but again not sure if the judgement is ok or lucky. Thanks, Eagles The 2NT rebid is horrendous It promised cover in the black suits yet, in the example hand,it shows the Clubs are threadbare. If partner bids 3NT assuming the clubs are guarded and a club is led,you will have some explaining to do(!) Correct action is to bid 3D showinga solid 6card plus suit. Of course,if you're a gambler and a speculator,you could always open 3NT instead of 1D (!) :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 And 2NT is not forcing,no NT bid ever is. It is highly invitational.But they are limit bids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I would also bid an apparently horrendous 2NT. Stoppers are for bottles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 2NT seems like an underbid to me so 3NT should be best. Loads of ways we can make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 And 2NT is not forcing,no NT bid ever is. It is highly invitational.But they are limit bids.I guess you do not play 2/1 then; nor Kokish; nor any form of Blackwood. There are plenty of examples around of forcing NT bids. The 2NT rebid is horrendous It promised cover in the black suits yet, in the example hand,it shows the Clubs are threadbare.It does what? What do you rebid with a normal (23)53 19 count with ♣xxx then? This is particularly bad avice given that we are in the N/B forum. A 2NT rebid shows the appropriate range and a (semi-)balanced hand. Punkt. The only realistic possibilties for a rebid on the OP hand within a standard system are 2NT and 3NT. YOu make the decision depending on how precisely the partnership has defined 3NT. The default rebid would be 2NT absent any special sgreements. It does not promise a club stopper. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 The 2NT rebid is horrendous It promised cover in the black suits yet, in the example hand,it shows the Clubs are threadbare. If partner bids 3NT assuming the clubs are guarded and a club is led,you will have some explaining to do(!) Correct action is to bid 3D showinga solid 6card plus suit. Of course,if you're a gambler and a speculator,you could always open 3NT instead of 1D (!) :D Hi, thanks for your comments, just wondering how you would bid if say one of the low diamonds became a low heart? I wouldn't have cover in the black suits then either? Also for us 2NT rebid is a game force so sorry to disappoint! Thanks, Eagles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Hi, thanks for your comments, just wondering how you would bid if say one of the low diamonds became a low heart? I wouldn't have cover in the black suits then either? Also for us 2NT rebid is a game force so sorry to disappoint! Thanks, Eagles 2NT just the same. If you have 3♣ check-back bid in your tool kit, then you can find a 5-3 heart fit if there is one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 2NT just the same. If you have 3♣ check-back bid in your tool kit, then you can find a 5-3 heart fit if there is one.I think he was rhetorically asking philG, which demonstrates that eagles has graduated to I/A :) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I think he was rhetorically asking philG, which demonstrates that eagles has graduated to I/A :):) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Also for us 2NT rebid is a game force so sorry to disappoint! QFT ?!? Curious as to why you play 2NT as forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 The 2NT rebid [...] promised cover in the black suitsActually, it didn't. Glad we could clear that up for you, that's what this forum is for, after all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I would also bid an apparently horrendous 2NT. Stoppers are for bottles.I see you're a hero....hero's usually end up in one place...a place with headstones(!) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I guess you do not play 2/1 then; nor Kokish; nor any form of Blackwood. There are plenty of examples around of forcing NT bids. It does what? What do you rebid with a normal (23)53 19 count with ♣xxx then? This is particularly bad avice given that we are in the N/B forum. A 2NT rebid shows the appropriate range and a (semi-)balanced hand. Punkt. The only realistic possibilties for a rebid on the OP hand within a standard system are 2NT and 3NT. YOu make the decision depending on how precisely the partnership has defined 3NT. The default rebid would be 2NT absent any special sgreements. It does not promise a club stopper.I'm sorry,but I fundamentally do not agree with your dissertation. I know there are forcing NTs but,Blackwood aside,they are a matterof partnership agreement. And what about the sequence 1NT-4NT? Are you saying 4NT is forcing? If so,you need to go back to the bridgeclassroom.(!) :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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