dvd Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 [hv=sn=capacitors,dvd,canghai13,000ffj|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2SQKH347TD289JC234%2CS78TAH68QKD3C9QKA%2CS235JH259JADTKC5T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2012%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cmc%7C10%7C]499|350[/hv] 这个也是体系的弱点吧,也是个人喜欢多义2d的原因之一。4441强牌如何处理? 就这幅而言,开1c在同伴1d后如何继续? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fp651026 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 [hv=sn=capacitors,dvd,canghai13,000ffj|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2SQKH347TD289JC234%2CS78TAH68QKD3C9QKA%2CS235JH259JADTKC5T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2012%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cmc%7C10%7C]499|350[/hv] 这个也是体系的弱点吧,也是个人喜欢多义2d的原因之一。4441强牌如何处理? 就这幅而言,开1c在同伴1d后如何继续?1H?2NT?还有其他更好的处理?试目以待 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 2nt好,其他的手段更差。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 这种牌,我个人不喜欢叫2NT,宁可叫2H(2S)。 哪种方法更好,也许要用软件,多发些牌,才好定夺。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000ffj Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 这牌5c挺好的呀。事后就牌来论。所有类似的牌,都属于将牌赢墩不确定类型(就是说不知道将牌必须要拿到多少墩类型),这类牌都是先看边花赢墩。确定的边花赢墩就2个,将牌最多只能达到8个,因此必须发展边花,考虑到实战分布,可以先飞红心。1、如果飞中的话就直接交叉将吃,大概来分析一下成功机会,此时北家有ct的话,除非他只有单张方块或者缺门否则哪怕北家5张将牌,也是mk,此机会几乎接近95%,如果南家有ct,除非他的红心和方块之和少于6张或者方块缺门,否则ct也是无法升级,我不会算概率,只是估计这种不利分布不会超过65%,就是说有利的分布大于35%吧,总成功机会应该不会低于(95%+35%)/2=65%.2、如果飞不中,对手有回攻黑桃和将牌两个防守路线,如果始终不进攻将牌,庄家可以交叉将吃,机会和上边一样也是超过65%,综合起来这个路线此时机会超过60%;如果对手换攻将牌,由于此时边花3个赢墩,将牌最多只有7个赢墩,因此必须飞中方块k,之后再交叉将吃的机会还是60%多,那么此时60%X50%=30%,加上红心a飞中的60%多,综合机会超过(60%+30%)/2=45%。那么先飞红心的路线飞中后成功率65%,飞不中的话在敌方正确的防守下成功率45%,总体折算应该是(65%+45%)/2=55%.在敌方错误的防守下成功总体折算应该是(65%+60%)/2=62%.可以看出即使在敌方正确的防守下,成功机会也是肯定超过50%的。实战路线可能是想飞中方块,再打将牌和方块均型,机会明显小于20%。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbxkh Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 对于这类怪牌,显然人工体系胜于自然体系。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted August 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 这个牌,5c是能够mk。实战dQ吃到后,dx随手了,忽视了d不是33时的其他机会;应该继续dA,再大将吃d。发现d不是33后,可以从容的出hK,如果hA不下就垫s,即便被南hA吃到,也无所谓,总能吃到s1,h1,d2,c7; 不过这里我困惑的地方还是1d后没有合理的叫牌手段来表达这样4441的强牌,这个不能解决始终是体系的个缺陷。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 不过这里我困惑的地方还是1d后没有合理的叫牌手段来表达这样4441的强牌,这个不能解决始终是体系的个缺陷。 这个类似4441问题,我已经在·BBO专家论坛讨论过了,五花八门,莫衷一是,逆叫的歪曲描述比比皆是,我在和3ntmk搭档时,他就简明跳叫2nt了,事后讨论再三,跳叫2nt容易处理后续的变化。至于缺陷一说,似乎过忧了,因为概率不高,而且就使用简明的跳叫2nt处理,似可满意。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 简明的2NT就不错,4441的强牌并不多见。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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